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Incident in Stanstead Road 19-02-2012
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lillam


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23-02-2012 07:37 PM

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The Independent Police Complaints Commission statement says:

'An independent investigation was immediately launched by the IPCC after Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) officers’ tasered and shot a 25-year-old local man.The incident started in Elsinore Road shortly after 5.40am when officers responded to an emergency call. Additional officers, including firearms teams, arrived at the scene and the man was tasered. Firearms officers discharged five bullets three of which hit the man. He sustained abdomen, leg and hand injuries and remains in King’s College Hospital receiving treatment. A young man remains in hospital but with help from eyewitnesses we can piece together bit-by-bit as much information as possible to form a clear sequence of events. I would urge anyone who can provide information to contact the IPCC by email at foresthill@ipcc.gsi.gov.uk or on freephone 0800 096 9077.'

What about witnesses? The Standard reported (20 February 2012) 'Witnesses on a residential street have described the chaotic scenes after a ‘madman with a sword’ was shot by police'. The source? 'Dad-of-one Jason Dempsey, 30, said: “I was told the guy had a sword' - so not actually a direct witness at all.

'Council worker Laura Wilkinson, of Stanstead Road, said: “I heard the gunshots and there were quite a lot of them. There were three in quick succession followed by three more. I got up and looked out the window. The police were screaming and shouting. They were shouting ‘get down, stay where you are’...I was relieved to see lots of police out there because obviously waking up to gunshots wasn’t a pleasant experience. It was mad.” The 26-year-old added: “It does seem like a lot for someone with a knife.”'

So far I have only seen reports of what people heard, or heard from others, whether any other direct eye witnesses have come forward is unclear.

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People running round the streets waving blades need to be restrained, but that doesn't mean they should be routinely shot. There are a number of key questions in this particular case.

- what exactly was the nature of the threat to police? - was it a sword, a machete or a knife? How close did it come to injuring anybody?

- what was the exact sequence of events? - did police use the taser, and when this failed, open fire? Or were they used more or less simultaneously? Why did the taser fail? How many officers fired shots? Did they all take the same action, or did one literally jump the gun? Did they follow their own rules and procedures?

- assuming it was a matter of a 'madman with a sword', a whole lot of other questions come into play not just for the police but for other health and social care agencies. Because the actions of such a person would suggest not a career criminal but a vulnerable adult, for instance with mental health and/or drug & alcohol problems. If that were the case, questions might include whether the person was known to other agencies and whether they had received the support they needed.

In events like these it is right that the facts should be independently investigated, rather than the police investigating themselves. Whether the IPCC is up to this job is another matter - their investigation into the death of Smiley Culture in a police raid last year was criticised by his family, because among other things the IPCC was not even able to formally interview all of the officers involved.

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RE: Police in Stanstead Road - derbybill - 19-02-2012, 01:33 PM
RE: Police in Stanstead Road - chrispy - 19-02-2012, 01:46 PM
RE: Police in Stanstead Road - sarah1 - 19-02-2012, 01:55 PM
RE: Police in Stanstead Road - dbboy - 19-02-2012, 02:44 PM
RE: Police in Stanstead Road - derbybill - 19-02-2012, 03:11 PM
RE: Police in Stanstead Road - thenutfield - 19-02-2012, 03:32 PM
RE: Police in Stanstead Road - danieljon - 19-02-2012, 06:19 PM
RE: Police in Stanstead Road - sarah1 - 19-02-2012, 06:29 PM
RE: Police in Stanstead Road - Sherwood - 19-02-2012, 07:22 PM
RE: Police in Stanstead Road - roz - 19-02-2012, 08:59 PM
RE: Police in Stanstead Road - Southlonder - 19-02-2012, 09:23 PM
RE: Police in Stanstead Road - sarah1 - 19-02-2012, 09:24 PM
RE: Police in Stanstead Road - Sherwood - 20-02-2012, 09:13 AM
RE: Police in Stanstead Road - hellohello - 20-02-2012, 10:13 AM
RE: Police in Stanstead Road - hoona - 20-02-2012, 12:54 PM
RE: Police in Stanstead Road - dongle - 20-02-2012, 01:45 PM
RE: Police in Stanstead Road - Elizabeth25 - 20-02-2012, 02:08 PM
RE: Police in Stanstead Road - Londondrz - 20-02-2012, 03:20 PM
RE: Police in Stanstead Road - dongle - 20-02-2012, 03:52 PM
RE: Police in Stanstead Road - bensonby - 20-02-2012, 04:46 PM
RE: Police in Stanstead Road - mgmonkey - 20-02-2012, 05:13 PM
RE: Police in Stanstead Road - derbybill - 20-02-2012, 05:14 PM
RE: Police in Stanstead Road - Erekose - 20-02-2012, 09:14 PM
RE: Police in Stanstead Road - Poppy9560 - 20-02-2012, 09:40 PM
RE: Police in Stanstead Road - bensonby - 21-02-2012, 10:14 AM
RE: Police in Stanstead Road - michael - 21-02-2012, 09:41 PM
RE: Police in Stanstead Road - Erekose - 22-02-2012, 09:31 AM
RE: Police in Stanstead Road - carole - 22-02-2012, 11:22 AM
RE: Police in Stanstead Road - Londondrz - 22-02-2012, 11:33 AM
RE: Police in Stanstead Road - carole - 22-02-2012, 12:17 PM
RE: Police in Stanstead Road - bensonby - 22-02-2012, 01:15 PM
RE: Police in Stanstead Road - gerry m - 22-02-2012, 01:43 PM
RE: Police in Stanstead Road - Sherwood - 22-02-2012, 01:53 PM
RE: Police in Stanstead Road - michael - 22-02-2012, 02:02 PM
RE: Police in Stanstead Road - lillam - 23-02-2012, 07:36 PM
RE: Police in Stanstead Road - lillam - 23-02-2012 07:37 PM
RE: Police in Stanstead Road - lillam - 23-02-2012, 07:53 PM
RE: Police in Stanstead Road - Londondrz - 23-02-2012, 09:07 PM
RE: Police in Stanstead Road - Perryman - 24-02-2012, 11:43 AM
RE: Police in Stanstead Road - bensonby - 25-02-2012, 12:09 PM
RE: Police in Stanstead Road - Les - 25-02-2012, 09:48 PM
RE: Police in Stanstead Road - Sherwood - 26-02-2012, 04:52 PM
RE: Police in Stanstead Road - michael - 27-02-2012, 01:34 PM
RE: Police in Stanstead Road - Londondrz - 29-02-2012, 02:19 PM
RE: Police in Stanstead Road - lillam - 04-04-2012, 09:04 AM
RE: Police in Stanstead Road - Londondrz - 04-04-2012, 10:25 AM
RE: Police in Stanstead Road - brian - 04-04-2012, 01:40 PM

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