SE23.com - The Official Forum for Forest Hill & Honor Oak, London SE23
Online since 2002   11,000+ members   72,000+ posts

Home | SE23 Topics | Businesses & Services | Wider Topics | Offered/Wanted/Lost/Found | About SE23.com | Advertising | Contact | |
 Armstrong & Co Solicitors



Post Reply  Post Topic 
The 4 Redberry Grove Planning Application
Author Message
robertlondon


Posts: 15
Joined: Oct 2007
Post: #1
24-01-2009 02:25 AM

The Council Planning Committee
Clashing with a Healthier Communities Committee, the planning committee ended up with only 3 people on it - 2 Labour and 1 Green. After the develop made his speech saying how excited he was to have the opportunity to build this thing, the objectors were represented by Michael Abrahams from the Forest Hill Society. He argued that the building was contrary to the council's own conservation area policies and that the effect on wildlife would be harmful. Councillor John Russell (Forest Hill) also made a speech objecting to the building, again highlighting the council's own conservation area policies and picking up on many of the residents concerns.

After this there was little discussion. The Green wanted some assurance of the building's fuel efficiency and requested deferment until a biodiversity report could be completed (the 2 Labours voted against this). They then went to the vote - 2 Labours in favour and 1 Green abstained (basically because she couldn't have a biodiversity report)

Application APPROVED

The Council Policies
There are loads of council policies and arguments. I've cut and pasted a few as it's a bit of a task! Here are some of the arguments given by objectors:

It was felt the building did not enhance
Council policy states that new buildings must preserve, protect or enhance the Conservation Area. The Architect?s Design statement says that this will enhance the conservation area.

The conservation area is made up of a mixture of Victorian villas, large gardens and trees. There are no modernist buildings in the conservation area.

It does not satisfy English Heritage?s description of enhancement
English Heritage states some of the means by which local authorities can enhance the appearance of conservation areas. Regarding new buildings, it states
Ensuring that new buildings harmonise with or complement their neighbours in scale, style or use of materials.

It does not satisfy Lewisham Council?s Conservation Area policies

URB 16 New Development, Changes of Use and Alterations to Buildings in Conservation Areas
The Council, having paid special attention to the desirability of preserving or enhancing the special architectural or historic character or appearance of its Conservation Areas, will not grant planning permission or Conservation Area Consent where:
(a) new development, or alterations and extensions to existing buildings is incompatible with the special characteristics of the area, its buildings, spaces, settings and plot coverage, scale, form and materials; and
In carrying out this Policy the Council will:
(e) encourage or require as appropriate the retention and reinstatement of building features and landscaping features such as front gardens and boundary walls, important to an area?s character or appearance, if necessary by the use of Article 4 Directions;


This proposed development is incompatible with the special characteristics of the area in terms of its scale, form and materials.

Large parts of the original brick wall forming the garden boundary on Albion Villas Road will be destroyed to make way for large gates to the house and drive. The a massive part of the original Victorian Garden will be lost forever to make way for this development.


It is close to a locally listed building

URB20 protects the setting of locally listed buldings

It doesn't fulfill the requirements of the laws on garden development

HSG 8 Backland and In-fill Development
Backland and in-fill development will be permitted provided the following criteria are met:
(b) the scheme must respect the character of the area, including the cumulative impact;
© the scheme must be particularly sensitively designed;
(e) there should be no appreciable loss of privacy and amenity for adjoining houses and their back gardens;
(f) there should be no appreciable loss of wildlife habitat;


Wildlife - taken from Michael's speech

The London Wildlife Trust have confirmed that photos taken of tracks some years ago on Albion Villas are from Muntjac Deer. These photos are from the 1990s but from noises heard at night it is very possible that these shy animals, the size of dogs, are still present in Millennium Green. There are recorded sightings of Muntjac deer in Sydenham Woods and they are known to spread along railway lines, which are directly adjacent to this site. With the possibility of such rare and shy animals present on the site further assessment is required as to the effect on such animals from garden clearance and construction work.

Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply

Friends of Blythe Hill Fields


Messages In This Topic
RE: The 4 Redberry Grove Planning Application - robertlondon - 24-01-2009 02:25 AM

Possibly Related Topics ...
Topic: Author Replies: Views: Last Post
  Lewisham Council approve "controversial" planning application samuelsen 1 4,486 10-11-2022 04:43 PM
Last Post: taymountgrange
  Taymount Grange | Planning Application | DC/22/127431 taymountgrange 6 5,325 10-11-2022 04:38 PM
Last Post: HannahM
  Planning application to convert Home Accessories Extra to a coffee shop hillview 8 11,561 22-04-2018 01:35 PM
Last Post: hillview
  Planning application to convert Forest Hill Co-op to a hotel hillview 12 13,293 10-03-2018 02:34 PM
Last Post: Uhuru
  Planning application to change Honor Oak Supermarket to a bar nitoda 10 19,000 03-07-2016 08:42 PM
Last Post: HannahD
  Planning Application: 1 Manor Mount Mrjamon 50 57,828 14-12-2015 11:46 AM
Last Post: Londondrz
  Planning Application: M&Co to become a Morrisons Local? edpaff 141 164,135 09-09-2015 04:42 PM
Last Post: michael
  Planning Application: 51-53 Canonbie Road penfold 88 118,077 02-05-2014 02:04 PM
Last Post: Hunter
  Planning Application - Hindsley Place and Westbourne Drive michael 124 136,028 09-01-2014 01:46 PM
Last Post: Perryman
  Planning Application: 120 Stanstead Road michael 67 80,658 11-12-2013 03:50 PM
Last Post: Mr_Numbers
  Planning Application: 6 Church Rise ForestGump 58 74,295 02-04-2013 05:53 PM
Last Post: Snazy
  Planning Application: 6 Church Rise NewForester 30 43,775 02-08-2012 05:00 PM
Last Post: Snazy
  Planning Application: Land to the rear of 107 Honor Oak Park alethius 5 10,308 25-06-2012 12:02 PM
Last Post: alethius
  Planning Application: 27 Shipman Road theirpuppet 50 59,438 07-06-2012 10:25 AM
Last Post: emma
  Codrington Hill - planning application? blushingsnail 1 6,103 24-05-2012 11:02 PM
Last Post: megan
  Planning Application - 113 Bovill Road davidl 7 12,899 21-04-2012 12:06 PM
Last Post: HOPcat
  Planning application: 33 Dartmouth Road Baboonery 16 19,629 29-11-2011 10:41 AM
Last Post: IWereAbsolutelyFuming
  Planning Application: 15 Davids Road NewForester 4 8,559 18-08-2011 08:34 AM
Last Post: notstoppin
  Planning Application: 139 Sunderland Road RobF 48 55,439 04-06-2011 10:00 PM
Last Post: michael
  Planning Application - Next to Baxter's Field michael 8 12,617 22-03-2011 10:44 AM
Last Post: IWereAbsolutelyFuming