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Manor Mount - Abuse of One-Way System
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Cellar Door


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Post: #121
18-06-2009 10:12 AM

Dan on the Hill wrote:
Does anyone know what the timing actually are, if not I'll stand there with a stopwatch like a right saddo tonight!

I'd like to know, too. I've got a stopwatch that goes to a millisecond or something. If you want to play the ?saddo? poker game with me, then I think that I just showed my hand. It was a straight flush.

P.S. Saddo. Great word. I'm gonna call my boss that later today when the moment is right. It's got a charming potency that should nicely fit in with my passive/aggressive nature.

Dan on the Hill wrote:
It was certainly smoother getting off the hill...

The traffic was smooth this morning. I kick up my bike stand at Woodcombe Crescent and cycle to Marylebone each day. The trip took about 50 minutes door-to-door. That's a clear 10 minutes quicker. From Forest Hill Road to beyond The Clockhouse pub there wasn't a single car on that stretch at about 7am. Usually it's heaving. Where is everyone today? Invasion of the body snatchers? Or were they all back at Manor Mount trying to sneak down the hill?

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Londondrz


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18-06-2009 12:24 PM

They were all in the clink having been arrested for sneaking down the Hill the wrong wayLaugh

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Perryman


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18-06-2009 01:01 PM

monika makes a valid point - any traffic calming measures must not slow the ambulances down.
So I withdraw my suggestion to put humps on this road.

I now suggest we make Manor mnt 2-way, but put a barrier up between Davids Rd and Manor Mnt - (but give the ambulance station dual access into both roads.)
Likewise with pearcefield Ave. Both barriers could be open outside of the rush hour. Residents of Davids Rd to be issued with a fob.

Not sure the cost of this, but car parks used to all have barriers - this is just an extension of that idea. If our technology is no longer up to this, then the gates will have to be manually opened and closed at the said times.
He/she could also be in charge of the Perry Vale station side entrance - we could call this person the master of the keys.

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Cellar Door


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Post: #124
18-06-2009 01:08 PM

Londondrz wrote:
They were all in the clink having been arrested for sneaking down the Hill the wrong way

I bet they are all foreigners. Foreigners are sneaky. Except me. I'm the exception to prove the rule.

The teenager movie watching geek in me is developing a fantasy that involves a bazooka. Camouflage. And a highly surprised driver sneaking down the wrong way.

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Londondrz


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18-06-2009 01:17 PM

A large spring hidden in the road and activated by me, hidden in undergrowth wearing full cammo gear, flinging the offending car miles into the air and landing in a crumpled heap in the police poundThumbsup

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Cellar Door


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Post: #126
18-06-2009 02:00 PM

Londondrz wrote:
A large spring hidden in the road and activated by me, hidden in undergrowth wearing full cammo gear, flinging the offending car miles into the air and landing in a crumpled heap in the police pound

If this is true then this could really put Forest Hill on the map. I'll see you in the undergrowth tonight Londondrz. We'll clean up The Hill. Instead of cammo gear, let's dress as Batman and Robin but in a Del and Rodney style.

I'll swing the Reliant Regal van around and pick you up tonight.

Oh, just remembered...The Hob quiz is on. Shall we pencil our dynamic duo clean up of Manor Mount for later in the week?

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Dan on the Hill


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Post: #127
18-06-2009 02:41 PM

Londondrz wrote:
Being ex army I have some experience of Claymore Mines, a radical approach but one that will get our cause noticed. We will of course have to face the consiquences of blowing the **** out of an errant white van but hey ho!

I am also willing to flog the skin off anyone caught coming the wrong way.

A large spring hidden in the road and activated by me, hidden in undergrowth wearing full cammo gear, flinging the offending car miles into the air and landing in a crumpled heap in the police pound


I can?t help but feel killing people or subjecting them to insanely cruel torture is not an appropriate response to a minor traffic infringement, Even the Taliban where more lenient on their people.

Far be it for me to tell you what to do sir, but maybe just relax about it and if you see someone driving the wrong way down just do what I do and sigh, give them a look and leave it at that. Swinging into their way to provoke an argument will sooner or later provoke a fight instead.

If we want to be really radical ask the council to increase the timings on the lights or re-instate the 2-way system. I appreciate there will be less grieving widows and orphans that way than firing them into the air, but it might be more fitting in our society.

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Londondrz


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18-06-2009 02:49 PM

"Most" of my comments were light hearted.

It is a pity that as a human race we have got to the point where we have to have a massive post just to deal with the fact that some people cant be a***d to observe a simple road law.

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Cellar Door


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18-06-2009 03:07 PM

Dan on the Hill wrote:
I appreciate there will be less grieving widows and orphans that way than firing them into the air, but it might be more fitting in our society.

Londondrz, You know that Dan on the Hill is right. I propose that we chill and lose the tension within ourselves and loosen the tension on that large spring hidden in the road.

But maybe we could still dress up as Batman and Robin and rid The Hill of other things.

It seems that I've hijacked Roz's original posting and swung attention away from the reason that Roz originally raised so I'll just pop the posting below and get dressed up in my Robin outfit to save The Hill from the scum and villiany that stalk the streets.

roz 11-06-2009 11:50 AM wrote:
I have on a personal basis and for some time been pressurising for some action in respect of the continuing and regular abuses of the one way system in this road, ie cars turning into it from Honor Oak Road. I am arranging to meet Councillors and Council staff at a meeting very shortly on a site visit. I would have thought that the ideal solution was a fixed camera and issue of financial penalties. The only option on the table however seems to be a roving camera as the Council have only recently been granted the powers to do so. Its a start but I'm not sure how effective it would be hence I think that a fixed camera is the best option on the basis that only methods that hurts peoples pockets will work.

I would like to take to the meeting a record of other peoples experiences with problems on this stretch of road so if anyone has anything to report would you please either post the details on here or PM me? Thanks.

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Londondrz


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18-06-2009 05:22 PM

CD I agree although I must say I never get wound up about these things, after all, it is only the internet.





Scurries off to dust off his Fatman SuitWink[/align]

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Londondrz


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27-06-2009 06:10 AM

I see that speed measurement wires have been layed in Waldenshaw Road as well as Manor Mount. Interesting to see the results (if published).

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shzl400


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28-06-2009 08:28 AM

There's also a set down Devonshire Road. I suspect a 20 mph zone being planned. I would not be in favour, unless they removed all the road humps as a quid pro quo (which will never happen!)

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Londondrz


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28-06-2009 09:00 AM

I for one would be happy to see a 20mph zone but no speedhumps. Any lorry going over a speedhump near our house makes the house wobble, none of that thank you.

I dont understand the need to spend a fortune on speed humps, cameras etc. Why not have traffic police sit there one rush hour every few weeks and fine speeders, they wont be to keen on speeding when they have 3 points and a few hundred quid fine. Only problem is can anyone remember when they last saw a traffic officer other than on a motorway.

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Davidsroadperson


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Post: #134
29-06-2009 10:57 AM

It's been suggested a few times on this thread that the top part of Manor Mount be made two-way. The problem is that this is how it was for decades, and what happened was that a massive traffic jam built up during the evening rush hour. It went from the South Circular at the bottom of David's Road right back to at least half-way up Manor Mount, for three hours every evening. This was a nightmare for everyone, and even worse for the ambulance, which was often delayed getting out. After years of this the no-entry was finally put in.

The specialised speed humps which do not affect broader-based vehicles like ambulances (and, I assume, lorries) might help with slowing down the cars coming down illegally from the top. The ambulance service always opposes speed humps as a matter of principle, however, and that's why there aren't any in Manor Mount or David's Road. We need them down here as well.

The real solution (apart from the claymore mines suggested earlier, which seem an excellent suggestion) is for the police to do their job. If you got a fine every few months you'd soon stop.

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roz


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29-06-2009 11:21 AM

The Council now have powers to take action- I understand that they are proposing to install a mobile cctv vehicle there at regular intervals in order to catch offenders and over time this will cease. I think we should allow this arrangement a chance to work and if not look at any other measures. I think the problem with the police is/was that this was never going to be a major priority for them and they were also major violators of the one way system. Hopefully the Council will prove better able and more efficient at this now that they have a dedicated service.

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Davidsroadperson


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29-06-2009 11:24 AM

Excellent news!

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michael


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03-07-2009 10:18 AM

Could I ask for any information you can provide about tailbacks on Honor Oak Road (to the junction with London Road).

* What are the worst times of day?
* How long can it take to get from Ewelme Road to London Road at these times?
* How are the traffic lights phased at this time?

I think I may have made contact with somebody useful in TfL and I want to provide them with full details of the problem.

Send me a PM or just detail your experiences here.

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Baboonery


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03-07-2009 10:25 AM

I was waiting for a P4 at the foot of HOR one Saturday lunchtime just after the last time this thread was current. I was there for nearly half an hour, and I made a note in my phone of how many vehicles were getting through the lights each time.

4, 3 (someone was sat on his handbrake), 6, 4, 5, 5, 7, 4, 7, 5 (the last of which being my bus).

There was a bit of amber gambling going on. I'd say 75% of cars turned right out of HOR towards Lordship Lane, though the slower speed of vehicles turning left meant that most of the threes and fours were occasions when there was more than one left turner.

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scipio


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04-07-2009 10:44 AM

I agree at least 75% of traffic turns right from Honor Oak Road onto London Road (A205 South Circular Route). Most of this right turning traffic travels only a short stretch of London Road, before turning left onto Sydenham Rise - opposite the Horniman Museum. Why? Because TfL and Lewisham traffic planners have turned Honor Oak Road and Sydenham Rise into the "Forest Hill Bypass".

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michael


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20-08-2009 11:57 AM

Regarding the Honor Oak / London Road junction, I said a few posts ago that 'I think I may have made contact with somebody useful in TfL'. Well I had - this is the response I recieved today (all bold is made by me).


TfL wrote:
I have made some changes to the area you are concerned about. I had one of my engineers attend site last weekend and he confirmed that the balance of queuing was unreasonable. Our Urban Traffic Control system uses sensors in the road to allow the traffic signals to automatically respond to increased traffic flows. We have therefore changed the parameters of the signals (how they respond to the sensors) at London Road / Honor Oak Road to allow a more responsive green time for Honor Oak Road, allowing more time if needed for this road. Hopefully this should remove the excessive queuing on Honor Oak Road.

You also mentioned the issue of queuing along the South Circular. I have looked into this during my observations, unfortunately due to the time of year I did not see any incidences of this however I am aware this does occur. I have therefore looked at the overall amount of green time given to each set of traffic signals which are linked along the South Circular in Forest Hill. This has been increased allowing the signals in Forest Hill to automatically increase the overall green time in the area when needed.

The multiple parameter changes at London Road / Honour Oak Road should in conjunction with the Forest Hill Signal area changes ease the issues you identified and in doing so decrease delay experienced in the area. I will make a note and observe the situation again in a few weeks to see if the changes implemented are efficient.

I appreciate that these are short term solutions but they should prove effective. Can I suggest that you make any observations you wish over the next few weeks and then when the schools go back we could perhaps meet on site then to look into any further mitigation?


Please do keep observing the queues on this road at all times of day. Have the changes made a difference?

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