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Happysnapper


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Post: #1
15-05-2008 07:19 AM

Oh my goodness......I don't know what was going on in the industrial estate car park last night but it was LOUD!!! Can only assume it was either metal girders for FH Central being droped off lorries onto the tarmac or else maybe rail tracks? Louds of shouting as well, perhaps one got dropped on someone's foot...

Anyway it kept me awake for most of the night and I suspect it won't be the last of it Sad

Hollow-eyed of Perry Vale

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Snazy


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15-05-2008 08:44 AM

Rail work I think. There was a lot going on the other night too.
Must be a real pain to be that close

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brian


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Post: #3
15-05-2008 09:16 AM

I live quite close and slept through. Perhaps a rave.

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Snazy


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21-01-2009 10:17 PM

I thought I would bring this to the attention of the residents of SE23, just incase it has evaded anyone.

Quote:
The Council is proposing to undertake pedestrian improvements at the entrance to the car park in Perry Vale.

These improvements will include creating a step free crossing for pedestrians at the entrance, which in turn will reduce speeds at which vehicles enter and exit the car park. In addition we also plan to improve the footway between the car park entrance and the bus stop outside Perystreete flats.

It is our intention to begin work on Monday 2nd February 2009, and this should be complete within a month.

As with all construction works, we anticipate some disruption, but will try to keep this to a minimum.

During the course of the work it will be necessary to restrict access in and out of the car park. Motorists will only be able to use one half of the entrance at a time during the works.

If you require further information regarding this scheme please contact the Engineer below;

Michael Hepworth at:

Design Group,
First Floor Fleet Building,
Wearside Service Centre,
Lewisham,
London SE13 7EZ

Telephone: 020 8314 2553
Email: mick.hepworth@lewisham.gov.uk

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brian


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22-01-2009 08:20 AM

Pedestrian access needed. Especially for ladies with prams. Have seen many near misses on way to Sorting Office

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eddy


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Post: #6
22-01-2009 08:48 AM

" As with all construction works, we anticipate some disruption, but will try to keep this to a minimum. "

now why the hell did lewisham not feel fit to do that while the road was closed for 4 months ?

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Snazy


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22-01-2009 09:39 AM

Definatly Brian Smile And many passing pedestrians.

Eddy, a number of reasons I guess. Minimised disruption to the businesses in the industrial park, funding, planning, project size and so on. Im sure there is a reason there somewhere. But I take your point 100%

I guess at the end of the day, anything that causes disruption or inconvinience will always get some negative attention, but lets focus on the positive, the end result.

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Perryman


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Post: #8
23-01-2009 12:42 AM

That extract does not make it very clear what is planned.
Does 'a step free crossing' mean a step free pavement access to the car park?

Will one of the access roads be paved?

Is there a link with more details please ?

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Snazy


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23-01-2009 09:46 AM

I think its the end of the letter you need

If you require further information regarding this scheme please contact the Engineer below;

Michael Hepworth at:

Design Group,
First Floor Fleet Building,
Wearside Service Centre,
Lewisham,
London SE13 7EZ

Telephone: 020 8314 2553
Email: mick.hepworth@lewisham.gov.uk

I would assume the step free crossing will be addressing the kerbs and central island on the entrance to the car park, which causes people taking a safe path across the entrance to the car park to step up and down kerb. Hence the use of the term "creating a step free crossing for pedestrians at the entrance"

Im sure an application to the design dept will result in you being furnished with further detail.

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Snazy


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23-01-2009 09:51 AM

And just to clarify, the above posted letter is not an extract, it is the communication in its entirety. It is all I received. not just the bits I thought people would want to know. Smile

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brian


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Post: #11
23-01-2009 09:56 AM

Strp free would be nice but even more importantly an access which is pedestrian only.
Cars can turn in at some speed.
By the way can we find another name for thios car park than Industrial Estate. I spent my life visiting clients on real Industrial Estate's and Business Parks and our one could be fitted 100 times into many.
What is manufactured in out beautiful Industrial Estate.

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Snazy


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23-01-2009 10:10 AM

The car park is the car park in my eyes, the bit at the end of it is a small industrial estate... lol what else can it be Smile It sells nothing so its not a retail park. It has businesses on it, but is not a business park. How about "commercial units" Smile Deal ?

I believe the idea IS to slow the traffic down, looking at the pavement markings, you can see what and where is getting done (a bit).
If I get any more info I will be sure to share it, but I would encourage others to have an ask about too Smile Find out the exact info each person wants.

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brian


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Post: #13
23-01-2009 10:35 AM

Snazy
Yes good compromise.

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Snazy


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Post: #14
23-01-2009 11:26 PM

Brian, glad we agree Smile

Right, I have some updates on the said work and will try and get them in an understandable form in the morning.

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Snazy


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24-01-2009 03:06 PM

Here goes then, not much I know but I hope it answers a couple of queries.

Quote:
The plan is to build a ramp to the entrance, which will have a level plateau for people to walk across. No major change, but will slow vehicles down as they enter / exit.

With the funds allocated it is not possible construct a "proper" path into the car park. As this would require the relocation the ticket machine (easily ?10k in itself)

There is also a plan to raise funds to undertake this & provide an additional entrance to Platform 2 via the car park. If this ever goes ahead is all another matter, its all dependant on planning approval.

As expected, this work was not carried out during the road reconstruction because the money has only come available.

As for the crossing point near the underpass..when the hoarding is removed visibility will be vastly imporved. There will be around another metre of width to the footway, allowing people to see all the way down towards Finches Ski Shop. From speaking with Berkeley Homes they will have their show home / flat open in around 6 months, which will hopefully mean a section of the hoarding will be taken away & improve things.


I hope this answers a few peoples questions.

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Tomb


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Post: #16
17-03-2009 01:15 PM

A while ago I contacted the council with a speculative proposal to use part of the hugely under-used Perry Vale Car Park as a possible space for food growing under Boris?s new Capital Growth Scheme. http://www.capitalgrowth.org/
When they eventually got back to me by phone they said it was unlikely because:
-Usage of the car park will increase with the East London Line?s arrival
-There are longer term strategic planning aims to relocate Catford Lorry Park to this location.
I found online a document on Lewisham's website confirming that when the planned south circular Catford town centre by-pass eventually goes ahead, the displaced lorry park will probably end up at Perry Vale car park.
I've attached the document here -refer to page 5 in particualr. Worse case scenario: 2011, but probably more like 2013

Any thoughts? Peaceful allotments or articulated lorries arriving late and leaving early each day?



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Snazy


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Post: #17
17-03-2009 01:41 PM

Interesting observation there.

The PV car park was of course once a lorry park anyway, and still has heavy traffic for the railways late and night, and for other purposes. So I cant see it making that much of an impact.

However given that the East London line is due soon, the volume will no doubt increase, and the requirement for additional parking will increase also.

I think the commuters cars being displaced onto the streets would have a far greater impact on the locals, than 10 or so lorries arriving and leaving each night.

Just my opinion as someone who is unaffected either way really.

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shzl400


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Post: #18
17-03-2009 02:20 PM

Of course, it wouldn't be underused if they didn't charge for it, as used to be the case!

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brian


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17-03-2009 03:00 PM

Good to see the work finished at the entrance/exit to the car park.
I am very concerned that the pedestrian , buggy pusher and handicapped person are more at danger than before. There is no where they can walk which is not on the car space. Due to the improves car space I guess cars will go faster.
What chance has a pushchair handler of wheelchair handler got to get to the sorting office.
I thought the improvements were going to rectify lack of pedestrian space .

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Happysnapper


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Post: #20
17-03-2009 04:57 PM

Part of the reason it is underused it because there is plenty of free on-street parking during the day, plus cars tend to park in the small car park next to the Perystreete block of flats (meaning that residents can't now park there!!)

I can't believe they might be going to turn that pay and display into an overnight lorry park Crying it's bad enough some nights now which heavy lorries and the shouting that goes on when they are loading and unloading ...

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