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Redevelopment of 2 Church Rise
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Snazy


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29-06-2015 03:17 PM

So the works are more than under way on Church Rise for another amazing transformation. However... I'm a little confused. Maybe one of the people with more knowledge of planning can explain this one to me.

From what I understand, the planning permission granted permits...

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The demolition of the rear and side extensions


http://planning.lewisham.gov.uk/online-a...CAPR_78138

Strangely, as I left for work this morning I took this picture. Aware the entire side and rear of the building is gone, I was somewhat shocked to see work under way to demolish the front too.

   

Was this the plan all along? Have I misinterpreted the planning application (as usual)

From the meeting with the previous owner/developer, this was not the plan, but might have changed I guess.

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Snazy


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29-06-2015 03:29 PM

I'm going to guess that the observation of new cracks was made following the partial demolition with a digger, and it was decided it was safer to knock the whole thing down. (in a very short period of time)

Now to see what gets built.

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Londondrz


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29-06-2015 03:56 PM

Its amazing when that happens isn't it Snazy.

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Snazy


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29-06-2015 03:57 PM

Seems to happen almost every time a building of any age, or inconvenient to convert comes onto the radar.

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michael


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29-06-2015 04:11 PM

Have you reported this to Lewisham Planning Enforcement planningenforcement@lewisham.gov.uk and your local councillors?

I must say that when you and I met with the developer the full demolition did not seem to be part of their plan, although if memory serves, they had great ideas about excavating a basement without damaging the existing building. I seem to remember hearing something similar in another building not too far away from this site.

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Chipcity


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29-06-2015 04:51 PM

I am not a planning expert but the link that you posted is for further details in compliance with the satisfaction of one of the conditions from the main planning consent (i.e. click on the "Related cases" tab that takes you to the main consent) and to what looks to me to be consent for the demolition of the whole building (but retaining the facade - although there appears to be a later consent referring just to demolition).

This post was last modified: 29-06-2015 04:51 PM by Chipcity.

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Snazy


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29-06-2015 04:52 PM

UPDATE...

this is what remains at end of play today.

   


The property was sold on I believe Michael, from speaking to Ty a while back.

Not reported anything at this point no.

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Snazy


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29-06-2015 04:53 PM

Thanks Chipcity, I will take a look at that. Like I say, far from in the know about these things.

From the part I'm reading I saw it as partial demolition as per this part...


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regarding the demolition of the existing single-storey side extension and conservatory at the rear and the alteration and refurbishment of 2 Church Rise SE23


And assumed this clause had been used to complete the demolition.

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The site manager would be aware of any sign of fresh cracks appearing on
wall and especially if there are any on party walls of the adjoining structure not
subject to demolition.
If at any stage this would be shown of signs of enlargement- then the
works would be stopped immediately, and management called on Emergency
Site Meeting to assess the problem and find the best solution to deal with it.

This post was last modified: 29-06-2015 05:00 PM by Snazy.

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Snazy


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05-07-2015 04:38 PM

All gone now.

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michael


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05-07-2015 07:35 PM

I guess it won't be long now before a planning application for a silly sized block of flats.
This building had no protection from demolition and you don't actually need planning permission to demolish a building you own (unless listed or in a conservation area).

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Snazy


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05-07-2015 08:02 PM

Aaah well I guess that makes sense in that regard.
Am I right to assume that the planning consent for the plot would now need changing to address the lack of existing building to include on the plot?

As you say, here comes a silly proposal. I was wondering actually how much of a relationship between the owners of 14 Waldram, and of this site there is, as there has been a lot of equipment on site at #2 for #14 Maybe we will see something similar..

Aaah well, I shall watch with interest on the planning website.

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Snazy


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12-09-2015 11:40 AM

So the new application went in, and was withdrawn. Meanwhile huge ground works continue on site, with the whole place being piled, and now dug out. Very brave with no current planning.
The piles seem to have gone quite a long way back, far beyond the original footprint of the house which stood there, so be interested to see what the application that finally goes in and stays proposes. As it is there is quite a large occupancy suggested.

DC/15/93618 | The construction of a new victorian style villa in keeping with the street, with side and rear extension and a new lower ground floor level. The project will contain 5 x 2 bedroom, 1 x 3 bedroom and 2 x 1 bedroom apartments, with the provision of 3no. on site parking spaces, secure bicycle parking for 9 bicycles and refuse/ recycling facilities. | 2 CHURCH RISE, LONDON, SE23 2UD

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Giacomo71


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29-09-2015 11:00 PM

Do you have some recent pictures?
I attached cgi of the new building.



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Giacomo71


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29-09-2015 11:05 PM

One more



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sydenhamcentral


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30-09-2015 09:51 AM

I hate it when rather elegant buildings are knocked down and they are always replaced by something now worthy of the streetscape or building they replace.

But in this case, this looks rather smart, surprisingly. If it's built with quality and care, it could be better than what was there before. I rather like the new additions at the back too.

Much better than the usual dull flats that are stuck up with no thought, love or care.

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brencud


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30-09-2015 09:57 AM

While demolition doesn't need planning consent, the construction of the new foundations does...

Quote:
you don't actually need planning permission to demolish a building you own (unless listed or in a conservation area).


Following a court case a few years ago, you also need planning permission if there are likely to be significant effects on the environment (the demolition becomes EIA development). Probably not an issue in this case though.

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Snazy


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30-09-2015 04:25 PM

Those pictures look like the originals used in the first plan to partially demolish, and then restore the building to its "original" state. Not opposed to the look of the building at all.

In fairness, over recent years the building and gardens had become very run down, so a fresh replacement should brighten the place up.

I will try and get a sneeky pic or two next time I'm passing.
I do know the perimeter of the site was piled, and excavation is now underway for most of the site. From the original front of the building, to the rear of the garden.

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Andrew1976


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02-10-2015 06:50 AM

It looks very nice. I'm envious! I need to work harder...what a beautiful family home for someone.

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Snazy


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02-10-2015 04:19 PM

Not convinced yet that these plans will be resubmitted yet. Given the works on the site, the total demolition, I can't imagine the building being replaced with what was quite a restricted building for maximising space.

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Snazy


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08-10-2015 06:16 PM

Current state of play...    

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