Take your point michael about the "easier" developments, and i'm not all doom and gloom about it anyway, anything is better than nothing.

But, we're already seeing that the lifetime of an "easier" development (such as the ELL) before you have to do something else with it because of capacity problems is less than 5 years. Sure, we're going to 5 cars later this year, and the report talks about 6, but that requires significant re-engineering work. It's the whole thing about incremental improvement to something that actually exists rather a big-bang project that never gets built and there is no easy answer to that.

But with those population figures (possible 13 million plus by 2050!?!?!), it would be nice if SE London was treated the same as the rest for once and tunnelled out to at least Zone 3 or 4. I'm not even arguing that it should come to FH either...pretty much anywhere in SE London will be useful to us if the interchanges are done right.

Not that it really matters anyway, in 2040 I seriously doubt i'll be around to use it anyway :-) Oh well !