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Bakerloo Line Extension?
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PVP


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Post: #1
26-02-2009 02:28 PM

Obviously it will never happen, but at least Boris has mooted the extension of the Bakerloo line:

http://www.regen.net/news/884153/Johnson...-extension

I think this was discussed once upon a time, with FH being one of the places affected!

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brian


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26-02-2009 03:42 PM

Yes good to hear but doubt it will ever occur. I was told yearsb ago lack of Underground South of the river is the clay soil.

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michael


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26-02-2009 04:38 PM

The extension of the Bakerloo line is the most cost effecient transport improvement that could be made in all of Britain. Bakerloo line is the only line that is not at full capacity when it reaches zone 1 since it only starts at E&C.

The tunnel already goes half way to Camberwell where there is a overground site ready for the station, currently a car repair shop. The trains can then go overground on existing rails to Crofton Park or a new interchange station at Brockley (Brockley High Level), Catford/Lewisham, then on to Hayes via a connection with TramLink.

The capacity of this route is better than could be provided by any other similar scheme of similar cost, as there is little infrastructure changes required, just a little tunnelling and a couple of new stations. It would be substantially less that the cost of ELLX. And it would relieve a number of overcrowded train lines.

This isn't a new idea. It was first around in 1931 and it even has its own page on wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakerloo_li...Camberwell

Of course my preferred route is to go underground all the way and follow the Walworth Road through Camberwell, Denmark Hill, East Dulwich, Forest Hill, Bell Green, Beckenham, Bromley. If we were in North London we would expect no less.

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shzl400


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26-02-2009 08:01 PM

When I bought my first flat in Camberwell in 1986, they seemed to think it was imminent then.

At that time, the rumour was that they couldn't tunnel under Camberwell Green, as it was a plague pit (yes, another one - they seem to crop up all over the place, when some body in authority wants an excuse not to do something!)

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shzl400


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26-02-2009 08:09 PM

Oooh, do check: http://www.camberwellonline.co.uk/2006/0...n-in-2026/

Quote: "When we do get a tube here they?ll probably call it East Dulwich."

RoflRoflRofl

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Sherwood


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26-02-2009 10:47 PM

There is no reason at all why they cannot tunnel in south London. Jim Dowd has exposed this myth in the House of Commons. It was an excuse to justify a deal that was made betwen rival train companies when they agreed not to move into each other's area.

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michael


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19-01-2012 08:24 AM

Bakerloo line extension south of Elephant "not high up TfL priority list", but then again South East London is never high up TfL priority list.

The problem seems to be that while Battersea extension to the Northern line will probably go ahead because a developer had offered lots of money to pay for it (no longer available), the lack of train capacity and underground connections for existing communities in South East London is just not a priority.

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lacb


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19-01-2012 09:40 AM

Quote:
Bakerloo line extension south of Elephant "not high up TfL priority list", but then again South East London is never high up TfL priority list.


Yes what a lost opportunity, again.

I wonder whether a change of tack is required here. Clearly, pointing out the obvious benefits to SE London of *any* of the proposed routes does not work. Perhaps a better tack would be to show how a terminus further South could be used to increase the frequency of service in Maida Vale, say?

On a more serious note, if TfL won't fund this perhaps this is time to lobby Lewisham and Southwark to pool their Tax Increment Financing for a JV?

This post was last modified: 19-01-2012 09:41 AM by lacb.

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