Dropped kerb is costed on a per job basis, and the council will tell you the cost after applying and paying an application fee.

The cheapest Lewisham will be is £1000, including application. It's on their website.

CPZ consultation is now available on line and through doors
https://lewisham-consult.objective.co.uk...orest_hill

The map of proposed parking seems fairly sensible if there is to be a CPZ. I hope if it is created that it is only for 2 hours per day (which would be of most benefit to businesses) and that consideration is given to Rockbourne, Standstead, Westbourne, Rojack, Church Rise, South Road, Perry Vale, etc which are likely to suffer more from commuter parking.

But then I'm not going to have to pay the fees and I'm not sure I would want to impose this on my neighbours. Perhaps people like me (with off-street parking) shouldn't have a say.

Thanks Michael

Not checked this out yet but will do tomorrow.

My input will be as a local resident of Rockbourne Road.

Or you could do as one of my neighbours does and 'reserves' the space outside his house with his wheely bins when he leaves every day....

This post was last modified: 07-11-2015 12:13 AM by Jane2.

What happens to the roads/streets adjacent the the proposed CPZ area if implemented, does the problem not shift to he "free" roads by commuters/residents in the CPZ zone who may choose to park free of charge in non CPZ roads/streets.

Reasons to say YES to a controlled parking zone:
1. To stop commuters clogging up our streets.
2. To stop non resident long term parking,
3. If it your street says no and neighbouring streets say yes then the problem will be much worse for your street.


Reasons to say NO to a controlled parking zone:
1. Why would you want to pay for parking when you don’t need to?
2. Trades people will pass their parking charges on to you.
3. Family and friends will be reluctant to visit you.
4. Enforcement officers may be over zealous and cause you stress.

I think the NOs depend on where you live

Why would you want to pay for parking when you don’t need to? I can never get parking near my house and waste my time and money driving round, I am paying for it already.

Trades people will pass their parking charges on to you. The first thing a tradesman/woman does when he comes to the house is complain about how difficult it is to get parking and ask if you can get them a space if they are going to work on the job.


Family and friends will be reluctant to visit you. Everytime the mother-in-law visits by car, I have to trudge up the neighbouring roads to bring her bags in and make her a cup of tea while she complains about parking where we live and how it is so bad. Now that I think of it this could remain as a NO.

Classy. Do they feed the local foxes too, by any chance?

Ha ha not that I know if! It's quite odd though (especially as he also has a dropped kerb and driveway which he never uses).

Our street is not included in the CPZ proposal but these things do have a habit of spreading. I often find it difficult to park by my house but still don't think I'd want a CPZ here.

Our street was recently repaved and I was surprised how many driveways were given a double dropped kerb if their driveway happened to have been laid over the whole of the front garden. I would have thought each house should be given just one dropped kerb of a specified width? (Thereby creating some off-street parking too). It seems those who have decided to Tarmac the whole of the front garden (rather than for example creating one driveway, and a planted area to the side for rainwater runoff) were rewarded with a double dropped kerb. In some cases where two neighbouring houses have tarmaced the whole of their front gardens, the council put in one massive long dropped kerb so no on-street parking at all. If everyone did that the street would just end up looking like one long car-park.

Lots of discussion here about ways to stop the commuters, but they don't seem to be the problem as far as I can tell. The main problem seems to be too many resident cars! Or people using things like the library or shops or teaching children at schools (I presume).

https://lewisham-consult.objective.co.uk/file/3632007

Depending on the situation in your street and assuming your street is within the proposed new CPZ.

Reasons you may say YES to a controlled parking zone:
1. To stop commuters clogging up our streets.
2. To stop non resident long term parking,
3. If your street says no and neighbouring streets say yes then the problem will be much worse for your street.
4. You don’t have a car. You don’t like cars and you always cadge a lift from you friends.


Reasons you may say NO to a controlled parking zone:
1. Why would you want to pay for parking when you don’t need to?
2. Trades people will pass their parking charges on to you.
3. Family and friends will be reluctant to visit you.
4. Enforcement officers may be over zealous and cause you stress.
5. Parking within the confines of a painted box will result in people needing a can opener to get out, as any exit gaps are taken up by the next vehicle that may be larger than the one that has left.
6. Our neighbourhood will become far less green as people convert their gardens into parking areas.


Scenarios:

Your car is in for repair and you have a courtesy car.
How easy will it be to temporarily transfer your parking permit?

Your vehicle is an inch or two longer than the available bay space,
If you park, will that result in a £80 fine?

The other thing with CPZ's is that you end up with less parking spaces than you do now. In the last consultation, there were plans/photos showing how the bay's would look. Each junction would have double yellow lines running around each corner removing 2-3 spaces on each road, so 8-12 less spaces per junction. Also, anyone who has a dropped kerb/driveway would find a double yellow line over their drive, meaning that no one can ever park there again. Anyone who has two cars would then have to use a bay resulting in even less spaces. Also, the council will issue more permits than spaces and it does not guarantee a space outside your house. When I park, I can't always park outside the house but normally within a max 2 min walk which in London is acceptable. CPZ's in my opinion are just a way for the council to make money.

FHB, direct opposite happened with us. Same amount of space and much easier for us to park now. Much much easier. No off street parking though.

I think its just a revenue raising exercise. As has been previously pointed out there is not a huge commuter parking problem (i think 11% was the estimate) If they really wanted to free up the parking on Devonshire road they could make the car park on Perry Vale free (as its always pretty empty) and the commuters would park there. But, of course, this would cost money rather than raising it

The roads close to the station are where commuter parking is a problem, so why create a solution to a problem that does not exist beyond that area. If commuters start to move further away from the station then that should be the time to look at a CPZ for the affected area.

Pretty much all of the vehicles that park in my street are owned by a growing number of fairly local residents and their visitors, I can’t see how creating a controlled parking zone will change anything for the better; but I can see it making things worse,
Households with off street parking will buy a permit and park in a bay so that they have a clear reserved space for visitors on their drive, as an alternative to the current situation where they have effectively a reserved space in front of their drive.

It does seem crazy that there are so many parking problems elsewhere but the Perry Vale carpark is so underused.

I think more 'leisure/shopping' visitors would use the car park at Perry Vale if it was easier to get to Dartmouth Road, but at the moment its quite a walk all the way back down to the underpass and then all the way back up Dartmouth Road to the pools. But I can't see them putting in another bridge so doubt that will change.

I do admit to driving to Forest Hill sometimes, mainly because the bus doesn't go from where I live to along Dartmouth Road, and also because when you have library books, swimming bags and shopping its a lot to carry. But then by the time we have done a sports class, had a swim in the pools, visited the local shops, had lunch in a cafe x 5 people, we have spent a fair bit of money in the centre of Forest Hill, which is also something that needs to be taken into account.

This post was last modified: 09-11-2015 01:33 PM by Jane2.

Speaking of Devonshire Road [terrible segue], I see that the available parking at the end of Devonshire Road closest to the station has a dramatic decrease proposed. There is a large new section of single yellow line that has been proposed. The new single yellow line is in front of approximately twenty-four properties (mainly flats) and only two of those have off-street parking. The loss of parking will likely make demand even higher between residents close by. [The yellow line also extends to in front of a large development of flats at 51 Devonshire Road; however, these flats already have private off street parking so I am ignoring this entirely in my above numbers, although the residents will have the right to apply for an on-street parking permit.] Clearly, the change to the parking regulations is being used to clear the roads for increased traffic flow with an overall loss to the resident's parking spaces.

I also note that there is a small section of road marked "Devonshire Road" at the end of David's Road, outside the front of the station. Is this correct?

This post was last modified: 09-11-2015 01:55 PM by Ligersaur.

Ligersaur, you make a good point re Devonshire Road. I think that rat running could well be encouraged by this. The other end, where we are, are not even being consulted.

Re your last point: Devonshire Road extends all the way to the junction with London Road.

This post was last modified: 09-11-2015 02:02 PM by lacb.

https://lewisham-consult.objective.co.uk/file/3650844

The above document shows the plans of where bays will be and yellow lines. From Woodcombe Crescent to the South Circular along Devonshire Road, half of all the current parking spaces will be lost to yellow lines!

The Parking Stress Analysis document, at the top of the page marked 61 states: "Devonshire Road, Thorpewood Avenue and Westwood Park are highly stressed streets with an average occupancy of between 90% and 100%" [emphasis added]. On Table 16 at the page marked 64 in the above-mentioned document, the average non-resident daytime use on Devonshire Road is stated at 24%. The reduction in parking at that point on Devonshire Road appears to extend well beyond the non-resident use, meaning residents will be detrimentally affected and also put pressure on fellow residents along the road.

I read the associated documents, but did not find any reasoning or clear justification for the proposed extensive single yellow line use at that end of Devonshire Road.

This post was last modified: 09-11-2015 06:44 PM by Ligersaur.