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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Pool pragmatism
| You might not think the same way after researching how decisions are made at Lewisham now that we have a Mayor, and the percentage of the electorate who actually voted for him. |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Pool pragmatism
| I think it's interesting how it now appears to be a foregone conclusion that the pools should be demolished. Rather than 'discuss what's on the table", many people probably wonder whether that should ... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Pool pragmatism
| [quote=Baboonery]
But of course the suggestion that any new pool will most certainly be 'a featureless/anodyne box' isn't arrogantly dismissive in any way at all, oh no no no.
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Are you wi... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Pool pragmatism
| [quote=thenutfield]
nice try Roz, but I fear the professional arguers of SE23 dont have pragmatism very high on thier agendas.
I think they must all be scared of water. Personally, I would rather... |
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20-03-2008, 11:31 AM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Pool pragmatism
| All these views were expressed by Roz after her Damascene conversion on Tyson Road, when the Angel Steve appeared to her from behind a bin with his beard a-flame. Asking to see her Party card, He remi... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Pool pragmatism
| Good work FHB.
Nice to live in a democracy isn't it.
Looks like Bullock is a prime practitioner of the classic Leftist 'we know what know what's best for you'. Amazing how the misinformation cam... |
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21-03-2008, 11:56 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| And so the disaster unfolds... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Let's not get sidetracked. We could do with a gym too, but that's not directly relevant to concerns over a demolition of the pool on spurious grounds without proper plans for its replacement. |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| This always looked like a foregone conclusion.
I'm still taken aback by their shamelessness.
As a quick recap:
1. Neglect the building; then
2. Close it when it becomes so dilapidated it is un... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| I'm interested to see that the council thinks Louise House is only worth ?169,000.
In that case, I'd be very happy to buy it from them any time they like for ?170,000 and will convert it to a befit... |
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24-07-2008, 10:46 AM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| In fact, we have just found the solution.
- Sell the old properties for conversion and onward sale to people who will appreciate them, thus preserving the streetscape.
- Construct a new purpose... |
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24-07-2008, 10:59 AM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| The bigger picture I can foresee has a big empty site with weeds growing on it and no pool.
Also, your picture is quite silly and no more relevant than someone uploading an image of a random ugly m... |
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30-06-2008, 04:20 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| It is - in that the pool could have remained open while long-term options were considered, had they looked after it - but we should remember that it was going to need more significant sums of money sp... |
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02-07-2008, 10:20 AM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| [quote=]Buildings are not designed these days to have a long life. Buildings are most often designed with a 50 year life, although the architects are well aware that the building will last much longer... |
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02-07-2008, 10:09 AM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Thanks for posting that - a timely reminder of how the building is SUPPOSED to look (and would still, had it been looked after). |
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04-07-2008, 12:16 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Indeed.
It cost ?32 million, had to close for four years and then had a further ?13 million spent on it before it re-opened last year.
It was supposed to open in 1999 and cost ?7 million. |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| I think the council could control that through the planning process, though. It could also sell only to parties who undertook to preserve parts or all of the existing buildings.
As far as I know th... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Question is, is it genuinely redundant?
There doesn't seem to have been all that much honesty on this aspect.
It's also a slightly curious approach that some more recent posters are taking. Do a... |
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23-07-2008, 03:57 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| This idea can also save money as there will be no need to spend money demolishing the pool and Louise House, and it will be easier to build on the car park, which is a "cleaner" site with more space a... |
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24-07-2008, 01:34 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Stuff the UDP (or whatever it's called now - believe they've changed the terminology). What's that given us? The last thing I saw was the rejection of change of use to a restaurant because that caused... |
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24-07-2008, 04:36 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| I think the ire of those who are upset at the lack of swimming facilities would be best directed at the clowns at Lewisham who failed to maintain the existing building until it became unuseable, and w... |
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21-08-2008, 12:24 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| I bet he doesn't. There's been a pretty transparent manoeuvre to appease all parties through the pretence of pursuing the "preservation" option.
Blaming the council for their gross negligence may n... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| On the condition that we are assured that any replacement will be of an architectural quality at least as good as the existing buildings (whether or not it incorporates them or parts of them) and that... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| [quote="ForestGump"]To me it was silly in 2005 to restrict discussion of refurb and new build to the existing footprint of the pools, when officers of the council were looking at all 3 plots. The situ... |
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hilltopgeneral |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| I wasn't aware that riding roughshod over responsible, accountable governance and impartial views over the local built environment was one of the aims of the 2012 Games, but thanks for your edifying c... |
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hilltopgeneral |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| I forgot to add that the reason why Downham Pool closed is because... its roof collapsed.
You couldn't make it up. |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Nevermodern: sorry I haven't made myself clear. Whilst preconditions may give them more reasons to abandon any plans, I just don't trust them. I think without any safeguards, the best case is we get s... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Kingfisher, it's not got much to do with the campaigners for preservation that the old pool fell to bits and that nothing has happened since.
Indeed had it not been for all the campaigning last tim... |
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21-08-2008, 04:49 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| That's one perspective. I'd be interested in seeing the results again as from what I recall I don't think there was much in it.
From what has since transpired and the minsinformation campaign in th... |
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22-08-2008, 02:29 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| [quote="Londonrz"]Suburbs of London are still London. Given the high profile nature of Boris's role and with Ken popping in every five minutes I think Boris would find it difficult to favour one part ... |
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26-08-2008, 01:51 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
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28-08-2008, 01:54 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Actually, given the point on the amazing collapsing roofs it is clear that the best solution for Lewisham is actually a LIDO. When Frank Spencer seems to be their collective role model it's about all ... |
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28-08-2008, 02:42 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Sir Bullock now isn't it?
I normally write it as a plural and/or put an asterisk in place of the "u" but the Administrator spares you all from my childish rudeness. |
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29-08-2008, 04:20 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Quite. It no doubt rather suits Lewisham to stall any decisions (and hence any expenditure) as long as possible.
How long did it take from deciding a new pool was needed at Downham until opening it... |
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28-08-2008, 11:25 AM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Brian, your faith in the integrity of politicians is touching. Perhaps now is not the time to drop the bombshell about tooth fairies and Father Christmas.
Was it residents' bickering behind the 11 ... |
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28-08-2008, 02:37 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| It is Lewisham that I think could be accused of riding roughshod.
I agree that an appeal is a reasonable use of process but there is a potential irony in pursuing that route in the hope that it wil... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| [quote="nevermodern"]But they haven't *just* dismissed the option of refurbishment. They went for it, and then [b]a survey found it wasn't possible[/b].[/quote]
[i]But it didn't[/i]. You appear to ... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Well, I suppose that's a counterbalance to the new myth that Lewisham has been steadfast in its desire to provide decent swimming facilities on this site and has only been thwarted by a load of conser... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Exact figures are readily available from Lewisham's website:
[url=http://www.lewisham.gov.uk/CouncilAndDemocracy/DemocracyAndElections/ElectionCountsAndResults/Mayor.htm]Mayoral election results[/url... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| This is turning into a true public sector procurement spectacular, in the best of British tradition.
This has now developed from an idiotic unwillingness or inability to maintain a building, throug... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| It's quite touching how many people seem to think Lewisham really is going to make provision for swimming in Forest Hill.
Face it. You've been sold down the river.
The pool closed several years ... |
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Thread: Trains to/from Forest Hill and Honor Oak Park
Post: RE: Overcrowding on Trains to London Bridge
| As we found out last year, the reason why season ticket discounts for p. poor performance were no longer applicable was because trains were - apparently - no longer late, despite no noticeable improve... |
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Thread: Trains to/from Forest Hill and Honor Oak Park
Post: RE: Overcrowding on Trains to London Bridge
| [quote=michael]
[quote=roz]
how are they faring on their official performance indicators at the minute?
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See attachment for the performance figures for December (not meeting targets)
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Thread: Trains to/from Forest Hill and Honor Oak Park
Post: RE: Overcrowding on Trains to London Bridge
| Get planning then people!
- Get a group together - say 10 people
- Buy the sardines
- Forum photoshop artiste make some labels for the tins
- Alert SLP & Standard
- Present tins to managers |
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Thread: Trains to/from Forest Hill and Honor Oak Park
Post: RE: Overcrowding on Trains to London Bridge
| [quote=Honor Oaker]
Southern is acquiring additional trains, but my understanding is they are for the Brighton main line and there is no intention to provide extra capacity on the South London Metro ... |
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Thread: Trains to/from Forest Hill and Honor Oak Park
Post: RE: Train service to/from Forest Hill and Honor Oa...
| The 0821 has never run on time. It's more the train's name, like "Jimmy", than an actual indication of what time it may come. |
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Thread: Trains to/from Forest Hill and Honor Oak Park
Post: RE: Train service to/from Forest Hill and Honor Oa...
| robin orton wrote:
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This sounds likes 'let's leave it to the experts, who, unlike us humble folk, can see the Big Picture.' Don't agree - we pay for the services, let's lobby for what we want... |
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Thread: Trains to/from Forest Hill and Honor Oak Park
Post: RE: Train service to/from Forest Hill and Honor Oa...
| I think you should focus on the improvements to rail links in the offing - ELL, potential Thameslink routings - rather than the disappearance of the direct train to Charing X. It's easy enough to chan... |
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Thread: Trains to/from Forest Hill and Honor Oak Park
Post: RE: Train service to/from Forest Hill and Honor Oa...
| It's not really about whether or not you find it a hassle to change at London Bridge - clearly it's better to have a direct service than not - but about the bigger picture. Let's look beyond "me, me, ... |
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