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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| I just signed because I think that it is very sensible to ask for detailed plans and believable costings before demolition.
This really looks like they just want to knock down the building to close... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| You can only say that a gym is more useful than a pool when you are only interested in what is actually a tiny sample of the population.
Apart the considerations on children I'd like to remind that s... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Not sure what the purpose of consulting on the housing would be either since it's quite likely that finances will dictate which option is chosen (high density). |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| That's surely a risk, that's why it's better to be clear at start. |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| I hope you're right but in truth I think you're underestimating how hard it is to find a few million pounds.
Worringly there are other historic pools in London that cannot reopen because of a fundin... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| I think it has to do with providing enough space for a sizable development that can be sold on to a developer for that sum, economy of scale is one consideration, to build 30 flats on one site makes m... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| I haven't been in this argument for a while but I think all that considered the safest way to have a usable pool in Forest Hill within a reasonable time is to build it new from scratch and to do so yo... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Unfortunately I'd say that that location is too close to the Bridge and the Council could argue that there's too much overlapping catchment area to justify spending on a pool there. |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| "I don't see that the current situation necessarily makes a pool less likely to be built. Aren't we simply back in the position before the Mayor decided to look at the options for redeveloping the who... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Brian, I'm not saying that you need more housing, I'm saying that those houses are a necessity to access that extra fundings that would allow a substantial centre to be built.
I'd also say that that ... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| The plaque on Louise House will give something to read to those waiting for the bus to go and have a swim somewhere else. No doubt they will reflect on "the Victorian enthusiasm for education and heal... |
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24-08-2008, 02:14 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| I wish someone from the Save the Face of Forest Hill would say something to justify asking for less than the Victorian built? |
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24-08-2008, 09:15 PM |
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Thread: Louise House
Post: RE: Louise House - to list or not to list?
| Yes, a fait accompli as I ever saw one, but there's no need of a judicial review to reverse it, planning consent can be given for listed buildings and polls like these can help. |
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29-08-2008, 09:45 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Is it true that if you look over the water at midnight you can see the whiskered figure of Mayor Theofilus W. Williams swimming in long johns and adding character to the area? |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Yep, it's ambiguous, I meant to say "I too, LIKE the anonimous..." |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Although the "too" should make understand the intended meaning. |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Because the petition wants to retain only the frontage and demolish the pools anyway and as this is a departure from the Council's plan it means delays in reproviding a working pool and as it compromi... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Yes, Grasshopper is right, in fact there is already a plan using the whole of the land for housing and leisure and that's the plan drawn by the Council.
You can do alternative plans and see how they ... |
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08-09-2008, 12:03 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| From News Shopper:
Mayor of Lewisham Sir Steve Bullock told News Shopper saving the facade was unlikely but would be considered, though there would not be another full consultation.
He said: "I'... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| I agree, I just read the Sydenham Society's objection and honestly I think that there is one major flaw that comes from a well meaning but nevertheless very strong bias towards conservation.
The flaw... |
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Thread: Louise House
Post: RE: Louise House - to list or not to list?
| Satchers, my discontent at the listing of Louise House is not motivated by dislike of those buildings that, unremarkable as they are, don't offend my eyes.
It's because I don't think that Lewisham Co... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Loampti Vale pool (opposite MFI) has a lot in common with what the Council proposed here. It is built with a part of capital investment and a part of receipts from housing and it is built new and not ... |
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30-08-2008, 02:51 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Why should there ever be another full consultation? To spend another ?50k to restate that public opinion is split?
They'll go through the options, they'll consult with the key stakeholders and they'l... |
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08-09-2008, 02:53 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Although the Council doesn't want to contest the listing maybe they would consider going ahead with one of the original designs and ask for permission to demolish the now listed and yet still despera... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| I don't think that the designs were complete nonsense, they were rushed jobs but they gave the idea of the kind of volumes that go up on the site with each option.
Option 1 was a cut down version of ... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| And by the way I never said here that Forest Hill Pools is unremarkable, I only said that of Louise House. What I said of the Superintendent House is that it's not pretty, that's a notch down from unr... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Tim, thanks for your answer, unfortunately it reinforces my opinion that your campaign considers swimming and active recreation as an afterthought subservient to conservation and I think that this is ... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| I think that that rant expresses some hard truth actually, it's not right to generalize but the effect of the rejection of a modern pool has a serious consequence on investment for sport and leisure.
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Well since you ask, let me answer you point by point:
Point 1: "Lousie House is an eyesore "
- Louise House is unremarkable. I read through the English Heritage paper and I found it to be a list... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| How have I been misleading? The SFFH doesn't campaign for the retention for the pools, only the frontage. It wants new pools behind it and wants Louise House retained. This means that the Council can'... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| It's not about people not having the intelligence to understand what they sign or not feeling strongly enough about conservation, it's about the fact that the people that signed a petition that asks t... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| I'm not confused at all, the "no demolition without design" was the first phase of a conservationist campaign whose second phase is called "Save the face of Forest Hill", they were started by the same... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Textbook Lewisham Council.
But it doesn't end here because you know what's the risk of building a new pool in the catchment area of an old one? That the old one goes out of fashion and is declared un... |
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06-02-2009, 11:59 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| So why doesn't Lewisham Council consider building a leisure centre without houses on top but cross subsidizing with other sites like option 2 that would get it from Willow Way?
And how is it that sup... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Satchers, what I mean is that the Council is willing to consider using eventual revenue generated by the development of the Willow Way site only to fund the gap for Option 2.
Option 1 is not consider... |
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08-02-2009, 11:38 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| If you pay attention to what I say there you'll realize that what I described "a crime against local history" was the demolition of the former Hither Green Hospital, that was indeed a building complex... |
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10-09-2008, 11:30 PM |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Tim Walder is right to the extent that cutting down to the bone you can build something that resembles a pool and leisure centre, although from the ?7.5m budget you'd have to deduct the sum destined t... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Well I think that this is a rather selective revision of history.
First, option one was entirely supported by their capital funding (cash that they have) without any receipt from housing.
Second, ... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Well said!
How much more than ?7.5m are needed to build that one and how quickly can that be done? |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| And this means that there are ?2m in between the cheapest and the most expensive, which in the current economy are not little money and could mean the difference between having a basic pool soon and a... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Reading the report you can see how the low scoring of option 1 is a result of the historic value of the facade of Forest Hill Pools.
If you look at the Evaluation Summary page you can see how it scor... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Tim Walder, are you really so naive?
[quote]It was also noted that this would leave Sydenham with two pools at either end of Sydenham Road[/quote]
Don't you think that at LBL they realized that th... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Tim, I find that yours is an extraordinarily unfair treatment of the various options.
In your views:
- Option 2 should get cross subsidy from Willow Way and any other development (why not an inc... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| So, you are agreeing that option 1, as well as option 2 have not a hope to see the light of day.
Good, because the Council's analysis is a complete pile of piffle there only to justify a foregone con... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Well, if they think that they can raise ?4.5m from the Louise House/Forest Hill Pools site then it's no wonder why they want to move the pools somewhere else.
It's a compelling economic argument is... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| Yes exactly, it's not just that not everyone drives, it's that one shouldn't encourage driving and pools should be where people are, that's where they're most accessible. Although some car park for di... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| By the way, probably the Mayor thinks that people in Forest Hill are just fed up with this all story and as long as he takes a decision there won't be electoral repercussions.
So maybe one way to co... |
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| I just spotted a post by Cllr Chris Best on the Sydenham forum ([url=http://forum.sydenham.org.uk/viewtopic.php?t=2419&start=40&sid=9ae8404eb9962d9f9564ccfab6efed47]click here[/url]).
She writes:
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Thread: Forest Hill Pools
Post: RE: Forest Hill Pool (continued)
| I don't think that they are that hard up but the Council must square the budget on pools that as everyone knows are not cheap to build and to run.
The Bridge is not ideally located and is rather sm... |
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