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Do we need a pedestrian crossing on Perry Vale at the rear of Forest Hill station?
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Post: #101
27-04-2016 07:25 AM

Clearly we've all missed the sightlines around the bend being improved?

Then you'll be pleased to know that there are three lots of signs extending around the corner to warn of traffic lights, a pedestrian crossing and roadworks. Curiously, due to all the parked cars along the side of the Forest Hill Superstore, these signs are correctly on the 'wrong side' of the road to be visible to motorists.

I think those placing the lights have taken correct precaution against the poor sight lines.

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Post: #102
27-04-2016 11:05 AM

I drove past this morning and had to stop whilst a pedestrian equipped with their iPod of invincibility blithely walked across the road before the temporary pedestrian lights.

You can put as many safety features in place as you like, stupid people will still be stupid.

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Post: #103
27-04-2016 11:09 AM

You can put as many safety features in place as you like, stupid people will still be stupid.


My point all along.
That plus I saw a PCO registered Prius fly past 6 cars and burst through the red light .

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Post: #104
27-04-2016 11:12 AM

I enjoyed the temporary lights this morning and will write to LBL pointing out what a good idea they are.....

I've been crossing here for over 20 years ... still waiting for a break in the traffic possibly ... but using this new crossing today must go down as one of the most pleasant experiences of my life as a pedestrian.
Ideally it would give some audio feedback when it is safe, but otherwise perfect.

Congratulations to the Lewisham traffic team - it seems they are not entirely evil after all.

This post was last modified: 27-04-2016 11:12 AM by Perryman.

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Post: #105
27-04-2016 11:13 AM

a pedestrian equipped with their iPod of invincibility

It's a fact well known to pedestrians that if you have an iPod and you're running for your train, only Kryptonite can harm you.

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Post: #106
27-04-2016 12:02 PM

Coming from Perry Vale you HAVE to cross before the lights, which will allow you to cross back again. I've just crossed where the footway is first closed, just past the car park entrance and it's quite hairy.

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Post: #107
28-04-2016 07:49 AM

It would be good if somebody could get a photo of themselves chained to (or just standing next to) the temporary traffic lights so that we can demand a permanent crossing here.

These lights will do, clearly they are safe otherwise they wouldn't have been put there, so let's make them permanent.

If anybody wants to kick this off we can collate photos on or here or email me ( and see if this can be used to pressure the council.

I have produced a sign that you can hold if you like, or feel free to produce your own sign, or just stand there with your thumbs up!

Please consider that unless we take action these lights will not be there forever, so if you feel there should be a crossing there, now is the time to take action.

I suspect that if we get ten photos we could start to get noticed and taken seriously by the council.

So who wants to go first?

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Post: #108
28-04-2016 11:33 AM

Maybe they finally saw my suggestion.

That said, plenty of people are still NOT using them, so they are only optional. Maybe if the crossing is made permanent, people will be OK with the installation of barriers across the most popular dangerous dash across spots to prevent this, which will also of course help with pavement parkers waiting for their family from the station.

07-05-2015 03:20 PM
While out walking last weekend I noticed there were a lot of works going on along Westwood Hill and down into Sydenham.

While not SE23 related, something they were using was.

The zebra crossing by the roundabout was out of use, so they had installed a temporary pedestrian crossing, complete with push button, WAIT light, and traffic control.
All the above on wheels, easily placed.

So it got me thinking. With all the discussion about if Perry Vale by the station needs a crossing. Would it not be possible to get the local council to experiment with the above mentioned style of crossing, to see if A/ its used B/ effective, and C/ could be the answer to the question so many have been asking. How do you make PV safer?

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Post: #109
28-04-2016 01:59 PM

Can someone confirm what the work being done at the moment is? It seems strange that they've installed a temporary pedestrian crossing given that there hasn't been one there previously (despite SO many requests for one) unless the current work is to install a pedestrian crossing there? If on the other hand they are going to tempt us with the utopia of a safe crossing haven only to them remove it once the work is complete well then... Cursing Thumbdown

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Post: #110
28-04-2016 02:05 PM

It's a utility repair - water or gas, I can't remember which. The crossing is there because the footpath is closed so they want to direct people to use the other side of the road.

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Post: #111
29-04-2016 01:42 PM

Not sure I would go as far as a "safe crossing haven"
But as rsh has said, it is just for the closure of the pavement for utilities.

The crossing is getting used, but only by about 10% at peak times. Hardly selling itself as a solution, especially with people jumping the light anyway.

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Post: #112
26-07-2016 07:33 AM

For those that get excited by this type of thing, there's a temporary crossing back in place here at the moment!

There's actually two of them, perhaps related to works for the colapsed sewer...?

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Post: #113
16-11-2016 07:31 AM

Crossing heaven at present. It's much easier to cross the ends of the roads further brown the south circ. where the traffic is now joining and leaving because of the central island at the junction.

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Post: #114
16-11-2016 07:51 AM

It just goes to show how things can be so much better if we put pedestrians first. A lesson for the planners I hope.

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