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36 Honor Oak Road (ex Hamilton Lodge Care Home)
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jaradras


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Post: #1
10-02-2014 05:56 PM

Does anyone know what is happening to Hamilton Lodge Nursing Home on Honor Oak Rd, next to Horniman Drive ?. It appears to be empty and there are no residents in the home. It is a lovely 1930's house & have not seen any planning notices on or near the building but have seen workmen going in and out removing furniture etc & undertaking some work. I did ask them but they were unable to give me any information.

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shzl400


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Post: #2
10-02-2014 08:53 PM

If I had oooodles of money, I'd buy it, knock down the modern extensions and restore it to a great family home.

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michael


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11-02-2014 09:58 AM

It would be a good site for a small school / extension to an existing school if the site is available. I think it used to be a language school in the 1980s or 1990s.

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Sherwood


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11-02-2014 12:48 PM

It was the Eurocentre.

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Triangle


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11-02-2014 03:57 PM

From the 1950s to 1970, I lived almost opposite Hamilton Lodge. During that period it was first a private residence and then when the family moved on it did indeed become a language centre.

I am surprised that it has lasted as long as it has, even during the above period there were times when it was uninhabited. It must cost a small fortune to heat and run.

As a boy, I used to get up early before going to school (Fairlawn) and collect conkers from the trees that are outside Hamilton Lodge, which border Honor Oak Road.

Should anyone be interested, this, (see link below) is what used to be opposite Hamilton Lodge up until 1961. I used to play in the gardens of the houses shown (they stretched down almost as far as Devonshire Road) and I can remember that there were stables. You will note that the housing estate that is now opposite Hamilton Lodge bears the same name as the original owner of one of the houses.

http://www.ideal-homes.org.uk/lewisham/a...edar-lodge

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jaradras


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Post: #6
11-02-2014 04:56 PM

After some search on the internet, have found that it is for sale
£3.5 m !. Vendor carried out a feasibility study to create 19 residential units STP.

http://www.eatongreen.com/commercial/det...es/195.pdf

We will need to keep a watch on this - in case they create these 19 residential units. As you all know there is a large development coming up on Tyson Road. There are 4 main schools within a quarter mile of this site and a new nursery - this has and will result in a lot more traffic and will put pressure on existing neighbourhood services and particularly the "very narrow" Honor Oak Road.

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BillieJameson


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11-02-2014 07:46 PM

Thanks for the link Triangle. I've always wondered the original name/person behind the naming of Tyson Road.

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Nick M


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Post: #8
12-02-2014 01:31 PM

Looking at the CQC (Care Quality Commission) website, it lost its registration as a care home last year. The inspection report summary does not look at all good and the company also have a warning about one of their other care homes. Hamilton Lodge may have been forced to clsoe because of poor standards. One can't help but feel very concerned for the people that lived there whilst they were there, and also after they have now moved on - it is not uncommon for residents' health and wellbeing to suffer significantly by the trauma of a care home move.

Anyway, as a child attening Fairlawn school in the mid 60s I remember students coming from what was then the Eurocentre to the school and standing patiently in class as we trilled "Frere Jaques" or "Sur le pont D'Avignon". We had no idea what the words meant - they were just sounds and noises as far as were concerned! I also recall at least one horse being kept on the bit of high rising ground to the right of the Eurocentre/Hamilton Lodge as you face it, which you used to be able to see grazing through the fence, it was intriguing bit of the rustic plonked into the local neighbourhood.

This post was last modified: 12-02-2014 01:32 PM by Nick M.

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152047


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Post: #9
12-02-2014 02:52 PM

The sales particulars say that the facade will have to be retained in any redevelopment. Presumably someone has spoken to the clowns in Laurence House about redevelopment and that is the party line from the planners.

I can't see retaining the facade alone is ideal. After all Hamilton House is a pretty ordinary Edwardian building which has suffered death by extension. If it is going to be turned over to residential, which seems inevitable, why not have a properly designed block of flats that actually has a bit of architectural merit?

I wouldn't get too excited about trying to say Honor Oak Road can't take any more traffic. We are all going to be living with gridlock as London's population continues to grow and the Planning Department is only interested in meeting its annual housing quota. What HOR really needs is a 20 mph speed limit and some policing.

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michael


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02-04-2014 09:12 AM

Perhaps when local parents fail to get primary school places in the local area they could consider getting the government to purchase this building to become a 'free school'.

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michael


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28-07-2014 09:07 AM

Word is that Lewisham Council have purchased this site and intend to use it for housing for homeless families.

If so, the dream of enough school places for the children of Forest Hill suffers from another missed opportunity.

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jaradras


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Post: #12
28-07-2014 12:22 PM

I am surprised as have not seen any renovation work happen inside the building to adapt it for families to be living in as I am sure the previous set up of individual bedrooms for elderly would not be suitable ?.

I thought it was squatted because individuals were throwing black rubbish refuse bags all over the car park, guess Lewisham Council got residents into property but did not arrange bins or any collection !. There is now a large skip being used to throw the bags into.

Housing for homeless families means there will be there on a temporary basis until they are found permanent accommodation, this type of residential unit can cause a lot of problems. Lets hope Lewisham Council will maintain this beautiful building & any tenancy agreement will require residents to be responsible for care & upkeep of their designated areas & that there will be enforcement of tenancy conditions by council officers.

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ladywotlunches


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Post: #13
31-07-2014 09:37 AM

This does show what a lack of joined up thinking Lewisham has.

Fairlawn school is but a few metres up the road, is packed to the rafters and if it had space, the management team is more than up to the task of running a larger school. The nursery annexe to the school is relatively distant which does cause difficulties to parents.

If Lewisham thought it through, and provided Hamilton Lodge to Fairlawn to house both the nursery and, say, the infant school, then it would allow expansion to full 2 form entry, providing more sorely needed primary spaces, without Lewisham having to agree to Free school or academy status as Fairlawn is committed to remaining LEA.

Is there anything we can do to perhaps make Lewisham think the above is there own idea, and start putting the process in motion.

Then the existing nursery annexe could potentially be used as temporary accommodation - which with it being closer to the town centre, closer to the transport links and probably better monitored, may be better for the community as a whole?

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BringOutTheCranston


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Post: #14
31-07-2014 11:23 AM

Quote:
Is there anything we can do to perhaps make Lewisham think the above is there own idea, and start putting the process in motion.


Speak to the local councillors?

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ladywotlunches


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Post: #15
31-07-2014 11:46 AM

oh, ouch! I meant 'their' idea, not 'there'!!

Good idea re: the councillors - though I have no idea who they are since the Feakes/Peake team are gone - are any of them on the forum?

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michael


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Post: #16
31-07-2014 12:32 PM

I have sent an email to the local councillors regarding this.

If you wish to contact them, here are their details:
"Hilton, Cllr_Maja"
"Upex, Cllr_Paul"
"Bernards, Cllr_Peter"

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ladywotlunches


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Post: #17
31-07-2014 12:36 PM

Thanks, Michael

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BringOutTheCranston


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Post: #18
31-07-2014 01:04 PM

This, or maybe finding out exactly what Morrison's plan are, or what's happening at the Capitol, might be a way to find out whether the new Forest Hill councillors are up to the job.

I hope that people don't come to regret 'punishing' the local, and as far as I understand, good and respected previous councillors for decisions made by their party's leadership.

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Perryman


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Post: #19
31-07-2014 01:28 PM

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If so, the dream of enough school places for the children of Forest Hill suffers from another missed opportunity.

Honor Oak Rd is very narrow with a high volume of through traffic.
Is this really the best place for a new school?

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152047


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Post: #20
31-07-2014 01:42 PM

Philip and Alex will indeed be hard acts to follow given their enthusiasm and commitment to local issues when they were in office.

I seem to remember the last Labour councillor we had wasn't quite at their level but let's see what these three can achieve.

Given that Lewisham is now a one party state under the long serving comrade Steve I will be very disappointed if I don't find myself living in an urban paradise within five years.

If that isn't the case I expect the Government, space aliens or some other external force will be to blame.

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