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Land on corner of Perry Vale & Westbourne Drive
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brian


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Post: #21
12-06-2008 04:09 PM

I have checked with a neighbour of 91 , who has lived locally all his life. He insists that in his memory there has never been a building on that garden. He suspects it was part of the garden of The Swiss Cottages.
Surely in that case NO planning permission for any dwelling should be granted. A stand has to be taken

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Perryman


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Post: #22
13-06-2008 12:23 AM

The map of 1874, shows this plot as part of one of the 2 gardens belonging to the last house on Westbourne Drive. (Fairly likely to be the same house as standing now.)

There is a driveway leading to the back of this house from Perry Vale, and this was sold off shortly after, as the map of 1875 shows that a little terrace cottage and garden strip had been developed on the drive. (This is fairly likely to be the same terrace cottage next to the empty plot now.)

The map of 1914 shows a separate empty plot as is today.
I've nothing to hand from that point on - something may have been built then flattened in the war, but your neighbour thinks this is not the case.

So it is more than possible that planning permission has been turned down for this empty plot for a hundred years.

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brian


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Post: #23
13-06-2008 10:44 AM

Thanks for the interesting info.
Maybe a swine herdsman had a hovel there in 1340's then he died in Black Death and no one else has ever lived there. It would be intesting if a Councillor could comment on this matter please. I must assume the person paying GBP 250k for the land must have the nod from the council to build. Surely if no house ever there should NOT be permitted.
If we say it was a plague pit then they would have to have major investigations.

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stefan


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Post: #24
13-06-2008 12:08 PM

I am living down Perry Vale and have to say that in my opinion this plot seems perfect for a development either a single house or flats, I do not understand wht everyone is out to block any new developments in the area, we do not have enough flats in London and I am very lucky to finally buy in the area, so bring on new developments and keep the house prices down, so more people have chance to buy

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Perryman


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Post: #25
13-06-2008 12:32 PM

Everyone knows the local plague pit was on Horniman's triangle, and not in Perry Vale, thank you very much. (Not that there is any evidence.)

As long as the new building(s) blend in with the Gothic cottages on the bend, then I have no objection. I'm no expert, but the house someone recently built on the other side of listed cottages on Perry Vale looks fine to me.

It aint necessarily bad news, but realistically, yes, there is every reason to be very afraid.

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brian


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Post: #26
13-06-2008 12:48 PM

Stefan
I apprecate your comments. People do need to live somewhere but not all in SE 23. I believe there are more people here than ever before.
What makes SE 23 pleasant to live in is the green spaces and the nooks and crannies.
We could build over every space without a building and double the population. How would Thames Water , EDF , The Roads and Southern Railway cope with that.
While a single house may not be a total disaster please not a multiple dwelling.

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blushingsnail


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Post: #27
13-06-2008 01:18 PM

Stefan: the problem with that plot of land is its relationship to the neighbouring buildings. They're far back from the road and the last house in Westbourne Drive has windows on the side: any new building would block these windows and block the light to the small cottage on Perry Vale. Also, there used to be something called a 'building line' which meant that a new building couldn't be closer to the pavement than the neighbouring buildings. I don't think this is adhered to any more (or at least not strictly) but if you look at the plot you'll see that it would be impossible to build something in line with either of the end buildings on Perry Vale or Westbourne Drive. If something were built that was an acceptable distance from the neighbouring houses, it would almost be up to the pavement and that would be out of character with nearby properties.

There's also the issue of the two dolls' house cottages being listed buildings: a new development shouldn't detract from their appearance (which probably explains why the newish house between the cottages and the school playground was built in a similar style to the cottages).

Looking through Lewisham's planning website there have been a number of planning applications for this site over the years, all rejected. The last one was for a one-storey house and even that was rejected.

(I should note that I have no professional experience in these matters and I'm just basing my thoughts on informed common sense. So don't be surprised if I'm talking complete rubbish and Lewisham gives the go-ahead for a 4 storey block of flats!)

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AMFM


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Post: #28
13-06-2008 01:23 PM

Has anyone considered the possibility that it might just work out cheaper to buy the plot for ?250k and build a house on it than it is to just buy a house in the area?

No application has been made so none of us knows what the plan is for the plot. How can you possibly object when you don't even know to what you are objecting!?

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stefan


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Post: #29
13-06-2008 02:06 PM

Thank you all for responding, I wrote this comment mainly on the basis that everyone seemed to object before there are any plans of what the plot may become, I do not agree to block any light or windows of other houses close by but I do believe there are options for a development to please everyone, I do love that "Swiss Cottage" next to the plot and I am sure something can be developed to fit in with the character of the surrounding area

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brian


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Post: #30
13-06-2008 02:16 PM

Amfm
If they are planning to build just one house the according to the previous note the council turned down planning permission for single house before.
Something fishy here. If the likehood , based on past experience , is that any application will be turned down then why buy . GBP 260k is quite a lot of money in my book.
I am convinced council must have given impression that application will be passed this time.

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AMFM


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Post: #31
13-06-2008 02:25 PM

I don't know the history of the planning applications on this site so i'm not going to make any comment on them but just because one application for a single house was turned down previoulsy does not mean that a more sympathetic, well thought out plan might not succeed.

And I am not denying that ?260k is a lot of money, simply that put into context, it is conceivably cheaper to buy the plot and build than to buy an existing house in the area.

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Rin


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Post: #32
18-03-2009 10:26 PM

Giving this a bump, and letting you all know that I've been in touch with Capital Growth re this property.
I'll keep you posted if anything comes of it.

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Rin


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Post: #33
18-03-2009 10:34 PM

Sorry, that was my very first attempt at hyperlinking and I'm a little inept. Try this...

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brian


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Post: #34
19-03-2009 11:48 AM

Excuse my ignorance Rin but if you are going to turn it into a market garden you have my total backing

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JonJon


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Post: #35
02-06-2009 07:10 PM

I noticed a new auction sign went up here today. Here's the link to the auction site http://www.skbauctions.co.uk/onlinecat_23-06-09.html, number 047.

It's reserve is ?195 so i guess the buyers didn't realise how restricted they were on what they could build there and are writing off up to ?65k to experience.

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PVP


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Post: #36
03-06-2009 08:59 AM

?195 thousand.....

I quote, "Suitable for a variety of uses (subject to obtaining all necessary consents)"

Variety of uses meaning fly-tip?

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blushingsnail


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Post: #37
30-07-2009 09:47 AM

According to the auction website the plot of land sold for ?200k.

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IWereAbsolutelyFuming


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Post: #38
30-07-2009 12:14 PM

Good. Let's hope the buyer has good plans for the site and it can be tidied up and put to good use. I'm sure we'll all be very supportive...

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brian


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Post: #39
30-07-2009 02:40 PM

This is baffling why would anyone pay that ammount unless they believed they could get planning permission . Are we sure that LBC will give under pressure

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IWereAbsolutelyFuming


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Post: #40
30-07-2009 06:07 PM

I know the planning history of this plot is a little unclear and that a few planning applications have been turned down but I'd have thought a single dwelling of an appropriate nature would get permission in what is a residential area.

Maybe they want to stick one of these on there:

http://www.ecohab.co.uk/

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