Victim feels like the offender, or the offender feels like the victim?
In the above instance I would say the victim feels like the offender, then being hunted down for in fact being the victim.

It is indeed insane that people cant cope with a simple diversion, and go 200 yards out of their way, in the name of road safety.

I am afraid that as a motorcyclist I see the dark side of peoples personalities on the road. I am often amused that the most grief I have had from someone was an individual who pulled out in front of me one Sunday and then had a go at me when I remonstrated with them.

They were a little taken aback when I pointed out to them that as they had just left church they should act in a Christian like manner.

Londondrz.. does not suprise me one bit. You only have to go to Brockley Rise as the church kicks out there. Let one car go and they will all force their way out, bumper to bumper.

I think the days of acting like a christian are sadly long gone for some. People seem to think 1 day of church = 6 authorised days of sinning.
Im not a church goer, but dont mean to cause any offence to any religious amongst us. However I cant help but feel the days of being a church goer, meaning you are a good person, are long gone.

The pleasure went from driving years ago, but slowly but surely, the pleasure has been replaced with fear.
Very sad.

Back to the diversion for a moment. I would understand the protest at following it, if it were similar in the difference between turning right from the South Circ into Halfords, or going all the way into Catford, round the 1 way system and back, just to turn left. BUT ITS NOT!

It takes you down to Westbourne Drive, to the end of Westbourne, and voila, diversion ends! Some people out there need to get a grip. And for those who have ignored it, they have just closed the rest of PV for those coming up from Dacres Road.

Rediculous!! why should the motorist be put out just to cater for a new Barratt development!! - I drive and will carry on driving down the wrong way - there is no essential reason to close the road other than pure capitalism!!

C

The irony is that the road works are to narrow the road even further, make the corner sharper and to remove all the crossing facilities.

So these very same drivers who
ignore road closed signs,
routinely drive up the pavement,
drive inconsiderately
and threaten anyone who objects with violence,

are soon to be trusted, of their own free will,
to carefully negotiate the new design where their SUVs will be much closer to the pavements
and to actually slow (or even stop) for pedestrians trying to scuttle across where they can.

Sorry, but permanently closing the road here would be a change for the better.

it wasnt exactly much earlier!! he has closed the road (for improvements) 4 days early!! Whos to say the man in the accident was not travelling to his house just the other side of the closure? Why didnt they just put two way lights like all other half road closures around the country?? because they cost more money!!

No CAW, because lights on that stretch undoubtedly would have caused tailbacks and congestion on the South Circular and the diversion is actaullay a pretty short one - adding, what, 2, maybe 3, minutes to a journey, are you really in that much of a hurry?

I take your point but even so they are closing a very busy road to cater for a development! I pay thousands to the government to keep a car on the road, i should not have my journeys constantly interupted by companies trying to make rediculous amounts of money. I should be compensated for having my day inconvienienced by money grabbing companies!! If the road was in bad repair and needed work doing it would be a far easier pill to swalllow!

C

I honestly dont care if he lived JUST at the other side of the road closure, he should follow the diversion like everyone is meant to. Or does NO ENTRY only apply if you live more that 25 metres after the end of the one way section!

The cause of the road closure is indeed at this time for the develpment of the Berkeley homes (not Barratt), however the set up of the diversion was to minimuse the inconvinience to road users. Unfortunatly those very same road users have caused the total closure of the road, instead of partial.

Also the comment of "4 days early" The partial closure occured on the 9th June, as stated and planned. The total closure has been brought forward from Monday 7 July 2008 to today, due to the stupidity of motorists.
We have 3 cars in this house, so also pay a great deal of money towards road usage and maintainance, but lets be sensible about this now. Driving the wrong way down a one way road is stupid, dangerous and irresponsible.

If I come from South Road to Christchurch School, can I drive the wrong way up Church Vale "cos its easier" ? NO!

Perryman, curious about the changes to the road you mention, and interested to know the full details. Any links to the new proposed layout ?

Just to finally get the message across, is the attached map REALLY that much hardship for some ?

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Should have read...

Also the comment of "4 days early" The partial closure occured on the 9th June, as stated and planned. The total closure has been brought forward from Monday 7 July 2008 to 16th June, due to the stupidity of motorists.

Oh snazzy you are a busybody aren't you! I cannot believe you went to the trouble of drawing up a map of the new route, thanks for that, I will file it with the other maps that crazy ott people have posted!

The quote you uploaded read thus

This to me would indicate that he intended to close the road this coming Monday morning would it not? Anyway, bickering aside my point was valid and just because you are on your high horse it does not mean everyone should agree with you!!

I think there is a fine line between busybody and having locals interests and safety at heart. Your opinion of me being a busybody is your choice, but lets not get into a childish game of name calling now eh.
So few people have any spine these days, and just choose to moan, rather than take action or be heard.
The map, lol it took about 2 mins to do, hardly commiting half my day to it now. Besides it was done at work

I dont expect you to agree with me, nor demand it for one second, neither am I on any sort of high horse. I am merely passionate about peoples safety. I dont think there is anything wrong with that is there? Or is that interferring too much?

I hope you have a more relaxing afternoon and can unwind a little.

Thanks, I understand your interest in local issues - I also share this interest otherwise I wouldn't be on this site. I have in fact petitioned the council on various issues that I feel strongly about so consider myself fairly active in these types of things!

To be fair though sometimes people do not help themselves, pedestrians can be just as dangerous in behaviour as motorists and I just feel that when it comes to roads EVERYTHING is in the favour of anyone except the motorist. rant over!

Are you saying Forest Hill is arranged to the benefit of pedestrians and cyclists?

Are you?

I also walk, cycle and commute from Forest Hill - not only drive and I will happily say that Forest Hill could not possible put in any further pedestrian facilities.

For gods sake the A205 south circular runs directly through it. its the main road running from east to west south london, do you know how much traffic it has to hold and cater for. I have never been run over on my travels around FH precisely because I take care for myself! instead of pedestrians moaning that its everybody elses fault they should look at their own behaviour - running into roads, not using crossings, wandering on the carriage!?!?

"for God's dake, the a205 south circular runs directly through it."


So....not arranged for the benefits of pedestrians, then

I am afraid to report that the south circular (obviously known by a different name) was around well before the massive influx of people forest hill has achieved in the last few decades.

Given the presence of this road through Forest Hill, regardless of when it was built, does this make Forest Hill a pedestrian-friendly place to be?

I never said it was, I said it had as many pedestrian facilities as it could handle. I therefore suggest that If pedestrians do not feel it is a safe area they move to one they do. To analagise, you would not move near heathrowe and then complain about the planes!! The road predates the people and therefore people have chosen to live near it!!

Oh dear God! The road is closed now. Stop arguing. It will reopen soon enough, with its electric mix of carefull pedestricans and jaywalkers, its boy racers and sunday drivers, its eco-friendly cyclists and mad bikes.

Enough now!