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Snazy


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30-07-2012 12:08 PM

I saw a couple of people moving things about outside there yesterday or the day before but paid no attention. When I walked past this morning, the first thought in my mind was 'hideous'.

I really do hope this is a VERY temporary look for the outside, and not an indication of what to expect for the future inside.

Anyone know anything of what's happening here?
   

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blushingsnail


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30-07-2012 12:56 PM

No idea. No planning applications on Lewisham's website to indicate any change of use. The addresses are interesting: the building on the left is 61 Waldram Park Road, and the one on the right is 20 Sunderland Road.

Are the pot plants new or have they been there for a while?

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Snazy


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30-07-2012 01:29 PM

Pot plants have not been there long, didn't notice them nefore the bikes appeared.
Looks awful. And I would not have thought its very clever for trip hazards either.

Only a matter of time before they are vandalised.

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Londondrz


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30-07-2012 07:20 PM

Seems odd, would let the police know on non emergency number as all bar one of the bikes have no number plates.

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Snazy


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31-07-2012 08:31 AM

I'm sure the local PCSO and SNT team will take a look at some point. Walked past again last night and it looks worse each time I pass.

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Fandango


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01-08-2012 09:44 AM

It's look pretty awful. I presume the bikes have their plates missing/obscured to prevent parking tickets.

The random plant pots look like they're being used as an attempted land grab demarkation.

Lights were on at one point in the building itself. Curious to know what's going on.

This post was last modified: 01-08-2012 09:51 AM by Fandango.

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NewForester


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01-08-2012 10:38 AM

Squatting?

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jgdoherty


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01-08-2012 11:37 AM

Now been reported on Love Lewisham web-site.

http://www.lovelewisham.org/Reports/Repo...3e3b85c477

A well tried and tested route for clearing up problems.

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Snazy


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01-08-2012 02:16 PM

Nice one JG, didn't think of doing that myself, doh!

Fingers crossed they can get them to make it look a little nicer. I did see someone taking a washing machine in there one evening.

Not sure if its meant to look in some way 'artistic', but am sure it hasn't worked.

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jgdoherty


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01-08-2012 04:45 PM

I cannot claim the fame - 'twas not me wot dunnit.

The reporter's name is on the link.

But thank you for the warm thought.

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shzl400


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01-08-2012 06:07 PM

I suspect you will find that the bikes, as the plant pots, are not on the "highway", but on a small strip of private land attaching to the shop unit, so neither Lewisham nor DVLA can touch them.

My guess is New Forester is right and the shop is squatted.

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Snazy


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01-08-2012 07:02 PM

Well let's hope someone somehow can do something about it, its really not pleasing on the eye at all. Hopefully something H+S based.

As for the bikes, are they not under the same legislation as cars then? If it has a keeper it must be insured regardless SORN or not. And surely if it doesn't have a keeper it will play into the hands of the authorities.

As for squatting, that's very unfortunate if that's the case.

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shzl400


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01-08-2012 09:30 PM

If the bikes are off the public highway, as I think is the case here, they would need only SORN, which is easy to do, and NO insurance.

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Snazy


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01-08-2012 10:25 PM

The law has actually changed, and all rmotor vehicles registered for use require insurance, even when SORN.
Only issue here is IF the bikes are registered to anyone, and if there are any identifying marks on the bikes.

I get the impression this is going to be a lot more complex than just a quick check and act, but we can hope.

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shzl400


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02-08-2012 08:57 PM

Quote:
The law has actually changed, and all rmotor vehicles registered for use require insurance, even when SORN.


Nope, definitely not so. No need for insurance if SORNed. see here

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Snazy


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03-08-2012 02:48 PM

My mistake. Thanks for that.
I would assume though for them to be SORN, they would also need a registered keeper, which is where it would get interesting.

On closer inspection the bikes ARE currently on the public footpath, so hopefully there are some powers to deal with it. With the bikes being on the actual footpath the SORN would also be invalid.[/align]

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Anotherjohn


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03-08-2012 07:24 PM

Somebody may be able to clarify - but I believe the little strip of forecourt outside shopfronts, which one often thinks isn't actually public highway (like here), generally falls within the domain of the local authority, who levy a charge on the shopkeepers if they want to bring their goods or tables & chairs onto it. Either Lewisham council or the police, or both, should be able to enforce against this type of parking, whether the vehicles have road tax or SORN or not.

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Snazy


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06-08-2012 08:42 AM

I certainly hope so John. There is a load of wood piled up outside there too now.

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Fandango


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06-08-2012 07:11 PM

There's quite a few motorbikes, bicycles and junk in the shop as well now. More dead plant pots have appeared.

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Snazy


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07-08-2012 02:59 PM

Well, here is the wood sitting there now, its looking worse and worse by the day. LL website shows its 'in progress' so lets hope some action is gonna be seen.

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