So why is it OK for double deckers to use this route during the day, but not at night? Not everone is at work 9-5.

The 63 service is a good one, with frequent buses during peak hours. It will cause gridlock in HO Park (more so than it is now).

I agree a better linking service from HO station would be useful, but not the 63. THe P12 should run more frequently.

I'm writing from my experience of the double decker bus service on Perry Vale.
I do not really notice them during the day amongst all the other traffic.

But they are very audible and distinctive in the middle of the night. And 1 per hour means 2 either way per hour.

Point taken about the night bus, a smaller bus would prob be a much better option for a night bus option. But there is a need for a bus that actually goes into town from honor oak park station via peckham rye. This would link more areas to the forthcoming DLR...A more frequent P12 bus that goes round back roads of nunhead and ends up in Canada Water would not be as effective, why would they want to run more busses on one route when there are already busses on the 63 route that could slightly extend the route by half a mile? Also maybe if there was another bus link it might promote more people to come over the hill to the lovely few restaurants we have here, hopefully our parade will grow and attract more people to it.

Sorry I meant the ELL ;-)

http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/...507,page=1

The dark side (East Dulwichites) want the 63 extended as well..

Hopefully we'll get some joined up transport policies and not be confined to South East London bus and train route poverty :-)

The worry is the traffic at rush hour - it's a damned pest slowing me down on my bike in the evenings, but I would love to have the 63 extend to HOP station, the parade might one day become a destination. Fingers crossed we see some progress in this.

The night bus would almost certainly need to continue to Crystal Palace, as it does today. This would allow drivers the facilities they require at a terminus rather than a turn around point.

Living on the corner of HOP, I agree with gingernuts re the suitability of HOP for the large double decker buses that would serve the centre of town - not to mention the additional noise and traffic volume, particularly at peak times. I appreciate that HO might benefit from better bus services to town, however, and certainly think it's worth looking into and perhaps considering other options (are there any other bus routes, perhaps single deckers?) and getting more opinions from local residents.

I rarely use the 63 at the moment (because of the 25 minute walk over the hill, often in the dark that it would entail).

But how busy is it? Could they get away with a single decker, as they do for some other services that go into central London?

It's always been pretty empty when I've been on it - although admittedly this is only ever at night.

What do people think about replacing it with a single decker?

It is a very busy bus once it gets to Peckham. No chances of it ever being a single decker.

God no! 63s can get packed during rush hour and can still be fairly busy when it's not rush hour. What planet are you on?

Why doesnt it make sense to extend the P12 service? if this was a more frequent bus, it could be picked up at Pechkam or from Brenchley Gdns easily. Surely this has a better chance of winning a lobby? Changing the 63 route will not be popular.

Maybe they can run some of the 63's (say 4 an hour) single deckers that would come over the hill, terminate or turn round at brockley rise, and stop at HOP station to then head directly up to Kings Cross. They could look at timings so the service does not clash with the P12 service (although we all know bus timetables are not always right!) Surely something like that is doable?? I think a happy medium needs to be found as the service would be a great addition to HOP's travel links.

i dont really see why a double decker bus is a problem. there are already double deckers coming down stondon park/ brockley rise. also large lorries etc go over honor oak road and down the parade. cannot see how noise would be any worse with a double decker bus than with normal traffic.

would be nice to have another option from HOP and also provide another incentive for business on the parade.

The whole point of cutting back the 63 was the stretch between Forest Hill Road and Crystal Palace was totally unreliable, while most buses were turned back at Honor Oak.

I have raised this on a few occasions at the transport liaison committee which is organised by Lewisham Council and includes representatives of the bus companies. At the latest meeting they gave us their views on the possible extension of the 63.

They made a number of important points about any possible extension:
1) This is a high frequency route and would lead to significantly extra buses using Honor Oak Park.
2) Brockley Park bus stands have little additional space for the extra buses
3) Because it is a high frequency service the additional length of the route would require more buses to be assigned to this route. Theoretically this would need new buses to be purchased.

It seems unlikely for the reasons given above that any additional services would be made available. What might be possible (though still unlikely) is that a small number of the 63 buses could be extended to Brockley Rise, with the majority still turning round at Wood Vale.

The bus operators pointed out that 63 and 172 and both fast, frequent services to central London, one serves Peckham, the other serves Honor Oak. Changing either could effect capacity available and frequency.

I don't happen to agree with all the conclusions, but we have made sure the bus companies consider the possibility of extending the 63 and they do have to consider larger implications. But they may re-evaluate the situation in the future, particularly when the ELL gets to Honor Oak Park.

I feel sure there would be no capacity at Brockley Rise for 10-12 extra buses each hour to stop and rest. But I'd still like to see the 63 come to HOP!

Could a possible solution be that the 63 goes to Brockley Rise, round the loop, then straight back to its current resting-up place at the end of Wood Vale? This way, those going to HOP would get a good service, whilst those going toward Peckham and London would just change at the resting-up area at Wood Vale to the 63 bus at the head of the queue? Not perfect I know, but could this help to bring the 63 to HOP?

My original idea is the same as SE23 northerner. I still think the 63 should be extended over the hill in time to link in with the East London Line. The fact is that the P12 goes an indirect way to Surrey Quays via Nunhead and Peckham, and does not go on a direct route into the city at all. Another idea, how about stopping the P12 at the end of Brenchley Gardens instead of it coming over the hill empty. Instead how about having a number of single decker buses on the 63 route that comes over the hill via Brockley Rise, terminating (and starting) at HOP station??

There is a Facebook group trying to extend the route of the 63 up to Honor Oak Park:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=13...4053991759

There is a similar thread of extending teh 63 to Honor Oak Park Station on the East Dulwich Forum.

http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/...msg-319860

Of course passengers could always use the P12 either from Peckham or the end of Brenchly Gardens.

And it would only cost an extra ?2 each way!

or walk...good excercise!