Lillam, not sure what your post is achieving. You are quoting from various sources as to what happened, some witnesses who were not actually witnesses, some from police in a prepared statement and then refering to past events in which the police were involved.

The fact is, we dont know the all of the facts.

I have commented on this topic from what I hope is a technical point becuase I am ex police although not ex UK police or infact "civilian" police.

What I do know is that trying to draw comparrisons to any other incident will not work as they are all unique.

What we need to do is let the IPCC (as it is they that investigate) get on with their job.

The fact still remains, if the person who is now in hospital had not attempted to break into a car and then threaten armed police with a bladed weapon we would not be having this discussion.