I totally agree Brian - far too many bad people, and, sadly, its been this way for a long, long time (since forever probably but in recent years more publicity means we hear more of what goes on)

Obviously trouble-makers are playing a big part here (hooded, looting, throwing missiles etc. calling others on their mobile phones - all of that stuff points to pre-meditated)

Harsher punishments/sentences are needed for certain first-time offenders, for sure and no early releases and less pussy-footing around the human rights of prisoners who have commited far worse offences PLUS, more police presence etc. on our streets (cuts?! Gawd no! We need more!) PLUS responsibility & acceptance by parents (for the children they have given birth too) for what their children are doing (or not) and, probably schools, as to how young people are managed or not! - this is a BIG ISSUE and far too much to go into now but .....
.......... along with so many others, I am shocked, sickened (again, as I saw Blackwater unfold in the media, before and also I was a young person and lived very close by when the Brixton riots went on) and feel very depressed at these latest sad events.

Thinking of all involved & wishing them safe
Sue