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IWereAbsolutelyFuming


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07-06-2011 10:54 AM

This is really quite tedious, you started the thread asking for ways to deal with people cycling on pavements. In the spirit of reasonable debate I am challenging your suggestion of licensing cyclists in response to cycling on pavements. I've suggested reasons why I believe licensing is inappropriate and unworkable but you see this as defensive so the debate is 'pointless'?

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Drivers and motorcyclists pay Vehicle Excise Duty. Cyclists don't.

...because they have no engine and emit no CO2, which is what VED is based on. I have already covered this. Whatever, motorists are not paying to use the road, they are paying to use their vehicle. The revenue collected goes to Central Government funds, not road maintenance.

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You ask whether I'm proposing licensing cyclists or bicycles or both. It was perfectly clear. I'm saying licence the cyclists.

I'm still confused, we're licensing cyclists but charging VED on the bikes? Or both? Ok, so how do you identify a cyclist riding on the pavement? Are we all to wear a visible licence plate? If not how does licensing help?

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You say pavement cyclists are rare. Pffghhh!!!!

No I didn't. But I'm happy to state that I don't think it represents a significant problem and as such the idea of licensing, to me, is an overreaction.

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You say some motorists don't know the Highway Code. They learn it. They pass a test on it. Cyclists have to learn and pass nothing.

Factually correct. Does that mean that all motorists adhere to it? Does it mean that all motorists still remember the bulk of it? I'm all for cyclists learning good road-craft. This is one area where I think there is potential for a mandatory obligation but it is far from clear cut. It carries the same problems of policing, discouragement etc as licensing does.

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Also, to say there isn't really a problem with pavement cyclists is pretty extraordinary.

Haven't said that either. I've acknowledged that it happens but I've seen no evidence that it causes a problem significant enough to justify licensing of cyclists and bikes. There will always be serious incidents but they are thankfully few and far between. I don't advocate cycling on pavements and don't do it myself. It frustrates and annoys me to see others doing it but I'm not going to overreact to it.

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Did you actually read the piece about blind people being injured by pavement cyclists in Cambridge?

I did and from memory I'm not sure it contained anything that justifies licensing of cyclists and bikes. It championed the use of more consideration of others by not riding on pavements, riding more carefully on shared pavements and not leaving obstacles on pavements, things that I'm happy to support.

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If you don't thinking licensing is the solution, then what is your solution?

Direct action, challenge the person riding on the pavement and block their way. If a significant collision occurs and the cyclist rides off then take a description of the person and the bike and report it to the police. I know it doesn't prevent it happening in the first place but then I don't believe licensing would either.

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Granny spinners - hillsideresident - 30-05-2011, 09:15 AM
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RE: Granny spinners - hillsideresident - 31-05-2011, 06:45 PM
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RE: Granny spinners - hillsideresident - 07-06-2011, 10:15 AM
RE: Granny spinners - Brockley_Babe - 07-06-2011, 10:53 AM
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