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IWereAbsolutelyFuming


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07-06-2011 08:52 AM

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Not only would this give pavements back to pedestrians


Give the pavements back to the pedestrians? Is it really that bad at the moment? My own statistically irrelevant study this morning involved a more leisurely ride to work than normal so I could count cyclists using their bikes on appropriate surfaces and those riding on the pavement. The route covered a little over 6 miles taking in Forest Hill, Dulwich Village, Denmark Hill, Camberwell, Oval, Vauxhall and Pimlico. I counted 110 people operating their bikes where they were entitled to and 1 cycling on the pavement. Of the 110; 2 were pushing their bikes on pavements, 4 were riding on well-marked shared pavements and about 10 were on pavement areas that aren't well marked but where cyclists are entitled to ride. 1 other could possibly have been riding on the pavement prior to me seeing him riding on the road. But as I say, largely irrelevant as a one-off. I'm sure there are black-spots where more people ride on pavements. Out of interest, I wasn't concentrating on it in particular as I needed to retain a safe level of road sense but I'd say between a fifth and a quarter of the cyclists I saw at red lights jumped them. I also saw two cars mount pavements and numerous vehicles use bike and bus lanes illegally. Oh, and no kamikaze pedestrians.

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...but the number of cyclists killed on the roads should drop, hopefully dramatically, partly because they would all know what they’re doing, not just some of them, and partly because motorists would respect them a whole lot more. I don’t see the problem myself – I wouldn’t have minded such a scheme one bit. I just see it as cyclists joining the adult world.

The number of all people killed on the roads would drop dramatically if less people used motor vehicles and more people cycled, regardless of how well they cycle. The statistics back this up. That is why measures that discourage cycling are wrong - we should be doing the opposite and encouraging other forms of transport (including cycling) while discouraging driving.


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As for drivers and pedestrians: I think it would be very helpful if people had to pass the cycling proficiency test before they could move on to ride a motorbike or drive a car. That way they would understand things from the cyclist's point of view. And schools should teach children how to cross the road properly - although presumably this already happens?

Something we almost agree on, I certainly share your view that it is useful to experience the road from all possible perspectives. Some bus and haulage companies now run bike awareness courses that included hitting the roads on bikes. It doesn't take much, just spend two weeks making your journeys by bike to get a flavour of the experience.

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Granny spinners - hillsideresident - 30-05-2011, 09:15 AM
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