Fish face, I couldn't disagree more with you more and think you need to get a grip on the real world before you recommend that people tackle muggers. If you knew someone who had died as a result of a mugging you would not be promoting self defence. Self defence may be useful in some circumstances but rarely so when presented with one of the many vicious looking, curved knives that people carry around with them. These knives do a lot of unspeakable damage to internal organs and cause a very painful death. If you want to speak to some people in north London who lost a dearly beloved 29 year old son in that manner six years ago, I can put you in touch with their mother, father and two brothers. I can even email you some of the many press cuttings relating to this dreadful incident. The mugger concerned was convicted but then investigated for an earlier murder of a female jogger in Victoria Park, Hackney. Do you think these people will be derailed by some amateur kick boxing? I think not.