Yep. I'm not knocking families, I understand childcare is expensive, but it sounds like some people DO receive substantial help towards it. Ok it's not perfect, and yes they'd probably like more help. But should the state pay for the whole cost of childcare anyway?

Where is the dividing line between individual and state responsibility?
ForestHillier I agree it's an imperfect system and like you, I've seen these things go in cycles and hope things get better soon.
It also comes back to the definition of what poverty is.

Also, I'm not talking about anyone here, but I have met people who are quite snobby about the idea of state benefits, but who are more than happy to receive significant sums through the tax credit system. It's just a benefit by another name. It does make me laugh.