Trains to/from Forest Hill and Honor Oak Park
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BarCar
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15-07-2010 01:25 PM
Letter just received from Joan Ruddock MP:
You have recently contacted me about rail service in the area and in particular the cuts to Southern Rail services that came in with the introduction of the East London Line on the 15th of May
I am meeting with representatives of Southern and Southeastern on the 20th July and I would be grateful for any feedback you may have about your experiences since the May timetable change.
As the meeting will be held in less that a week's time I would be grateful if you could email and responses to me at ruddockj@parliament.uk with 'Rail Service Response' in the subject line.
Go for it...
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Foresters
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15-07-2010 01:37 PM
Is this for anyone in Lewisham or just if you live in Deptford?
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BarCar
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15-07-2010 01:45 PM
She's MP for Deptford which includes the Crofton Park bits of SE23. I'm presuming she wants to hear from her constituents.
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se23northener
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15-07-2010 02:05 PM
Joan Ruddock's Lewisham Deptford constituency extends South as far as the South Circular, although only on the East side of the railway. So most Honor Oak residents fall into her constituency, but few Forest Hill residents. (Though see this thread for discussion of where the boundary between Honor Oak and Forest Hill lies!)
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jon14
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15-07-2010 02:11 PM
Tell her not to worry about it - false alarm - I've had a seat pretty much every day on Southern services in the evening peak. And there are often spare seats too.
Even the 15 minute wait isn't nearly as annoying as I thought it would be.
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se23northener
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15-07-2010 02:15 PM
From the recent posts in this thread, it sounds like it is the ELL we need to work on! Empty trains running to New Cross, very poor service after 10pm, overloaded single escalator for the interchange at Canada Water...
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gingernuts
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15-07-2010 02:18 PM
The Sourthern Service has in fact immproved as it appears to be no longer over crowded. What I mean by over crowded, is that I havent had someone's hot and sweaty arm pit slapped against my face, when I've been lucky enough to squeeze into a carriage, since the introduction of the ELL.
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Muss
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16-07-2010 12:42 PM
I'm curious to know how any ELL commuters coped this morning with no interchange at Canada Water because the Jubilee Line was not running between London Bridge and Canary Wharf.
I did see a hand written message on the noticeboard by the ticket booths, but no loud-speaker announcements or advice from the platform staff.
On my train, the driver first mentioned it at Surrey Quays. It would have been handy if he announced it at New Cross Gate so travellers heading west could change onto a Southern train.
Are the ELL people in denial that we have Southern trains? They are meant to complement each other and offer advice on alternative travel options if either service is disrupted.
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amelloy
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16-07-2010 03:03 PM
It would have been good if they had let us know as early as New Cross Gate that the Jubilee was suspeneded, but when I got to Canada Water, a very helpful chap on the Jubilee platform was advising passesngers which buses/train routes to take and I got back onto the ELL and went to Whitechapel-got to Green Park after a change at Victoria and was only 10 mins late for work.
Not the best start to the day but could have been worse. You are right though-no mention of Southern as an alternative!
I am still loving the ELL-novelty hasn't worn off yet.
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Tinkerbell
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17-07-2010 12:04 AM
amelloy - I wish I'd taken your route! (also go to Green Park every morning) Instead, my driver also waited with his announcement until Surrey Quays, at which point there was little time to think about alternative routes. Carried on to Shadwell like apparently most others om my train, only to then be faced with a huge queue of people trying to get onto the Docklands Light Railway Platforms. Nothing moving for 10 minutes there. Next up was the closure of the Bank Branch, which meant everyone had to go to Tower Hill. Plus a passenger alarm on the DLR train I finally got on...then a walk over to the District Line at Tower Hill, and back onto the Jubilee at Westminster. All in all, a 55 minute delay. Sounds like your route worked out much better!
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amelloy
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17-07-2010 10:49 AM
Oh Tinkerbell, you poor thing-what a terrible start to the day. Yuk! I consider myself very lucky to have had the journey I had now I have read that. Best of luck to us both getting into Green Park next week!
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rbmartin
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17-07-2010 10:21 PM
It's twice this week that the Jubilee has been out at Canada Water. To be fair, it was written on the board at FH station on Friday morning, but it's to the right of the gates, so no-one can see it!
I ended up boarding the 0929 to LB and went on Southeastern to Charing Cross. The Southern train was two minutes behind a delayed 0920, so had a table and 4 chairs all to myself. I've never felt so relaxed!
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Londondrz
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19-07-2010 11:41 AM
Given the ELL is so busy I have gone back to the LB train. The busses out of LB northbound now seem to be moving a lot quicker and there is no hold up on Borough High St. You are also almost guaranteed a seat and the trains are air conditioned.
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Gaz
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19-07-2010 02:45 PM
Going into town I just jump on the first train to arrive at the platform (and walk/bus/tube to get to work); however, getting back home the lazy option for me is to get the ELL rather than traipse back to London Bridge and risk the overcrowding. So...
What are the Southern trains like going back to FH in the evening peak, Londondrz?
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Londondrz
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19-07-2010 04:38 PM
I am lucky enough to leave work at 4pm so get the early train however did get a couple last week around 5:30. Wait near the barriers for the train to be announced and then leg it and you will get a seat. Later trains (I did have a "few" beers last week) very much the same thing.
TBH I find it very easy to get a bus from Bank to LB and then a train home to FH. Going via DLR and the ELL seems a pain in the evening (and the only time I did it was a night from hell).
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jon14
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19-07-2010 05:01 PM
Gaz - the Southern trains are less busy than they were before the ELL opened, even though they're less frequent. In my experience, anyway.
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rbmartin
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20-07-2010 06:39 PM
Bad news if you're expecting a seat or a space on a Jubilee Line train in October from Canada Water or London Bridge. BBC London have announced it won't be ready.
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rbmartin
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25-07-2010 09:05 PM
I wouldn#t bother with the ELL after 11pm this week.
From Monday 26 July until Thursday 29 July, there will be no southbound London Overground services between New Cross Gate and Crystal Palace/West Croydon after 2300 each night. Use southbound Southern services and local bus routes.
The last southbound train to Crystal Palace will depart Dalston Junction at 2300 and the last southbound train to West Croydon will depart Dalston Junction at 2240.
After 2245, valid tickets will be accepted on southbound Southern services between New Cross Gate and East Croydon. Customers for Crystal Palace are advised to take Southern Services from New Cross Gate to Anerley and then local buses 157 or 358 - valid London Overground tickets will also be accepted on these bus routes.
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Tinkerbell
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25-07-2010 09:18 PM
Thanks rbmartin, that's good to know!
(Perhaps in the 4 weeks after that, they could then do a trial with trains ELL running til...say 12.30am to make up for it...ok, wishful thinking )
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FHSoc
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05-08-2010 12:47 PM
The next LOROL (London Overground Rail Operations Ltd) Passenger Group meeting is on 9th September 2010.
If you have any comments regarding ELL/Overground service, please contact me and I will raise the points with them.
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