Perhaps not so much of a catch but I guess the unfortunate reality of the work at London Bridge. The report seems to make it quite clear that the redevelopment of London Bridge will cause a great deal of disruption over a number of years in the first half of the next decade, but I guess it'll all be worth the pain for the increase in capacity and route options that will become available afterwards. In the end, I guess we should feel lucky to have the ELL to fall back on during the intervening period - there are of course plenty of other routes into London Bridge that will be similarly affected but won't have a "Overground" facility.

Don't know if this is a problem....

Although maintaining 18tph across the morning 3 hour peak (7.00am-10.00am), the timetable proposed for 2009/2010 has this affect between 8.00am - 8.59am.

Re the above the document states because the trains will begin nearer Forest Hill there will be less crowding.

Does this have any relevence to Forest Hill?

Regarding 6.3.2, this evens out the services across the 3 hours 7-10am and provides a better service in the earlier time slots (there is currently no 7:10am train from Forest Hill, leaving a 20 minute gap), The reduction from 7 to 6 trains later in the morning is partially off-set by providing longer trains (all 8 carriages rather than some 6 carriages). And the introduction of the ELL service and direct trains to Victoria will also help offset this reduction.

By separating the services outside London from the South London services they should provide faster journeys for long distance routes and less crowded trains in South London. Although it would seem likely that although their might be less people already on the trains when they get to Sydenham and Forest Hill, these will quickly be filled by the suppressed demand we have in the area. So I am not convinced that overcrowding will be reduced, it will just be more Londoners in the crowds.

You've been reading the document.

There are some unusual words in the documnet, for example would most people understand the following?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutatis_mutandis for those of us whose native language is not Latin (strange choice of words in what I feel is quite a good and almost readable document).

Thank you for drawing my attention to that paragraph (5.3.3) as it gives us a case to argue for continued services from Charing Cross during evenings and weekends. This might prove a little harder during the Thameslink construction, but at other times "sufficient track capacity exists at these times".

I still need to attempts to read the full document rather than doing word searching for the points that interest me.

In diagram "6.2 - 2010 Timetable planned morning peak frequencies" it shows 2 trains to Victoria.

When London Bridge is re-structured will Forest Hill trains still terminate at London Bridge or go through to Blackfriars and beyond?

The way I read it, there would be a mix of Southern services which would terminate at London Bridge and Thameslink services that would proceed to Kings Cross and beyond.

It seems from 2010 Catford will have an extra train to Blackfriars in the peak hour 8.00 - 8.59am. Then by 2015 in the peak hour there will be 2 trains to Victoria and the Blackfriars trains will revert to 4 but will be Thameslink trains giving access to Watford and beyond.

I think everyone should look at this and stop moaning

http://www.chilloutzone.de/files/08040701.html

My God! It's like they're kneading dough!

The clip says "930am in Japan" - imagine what its like during the rush hour proper at 8am?

I lived in Tokyo for a while and it really is like this on certain lines - every train in the morning for a good few hours. its not too bad in the evening though.

I lived there for 5 years and whilst crushed in never ever saw a fight or frayed tempers.

Do we know if the ELL will provide 8tph from June 2010, or, as I found on the TFL website- 5tph.

The RUS from Network Rail clearly shows 10tph through Forest Hill from 2010 during peak times. I have not seen a reference on the TfL website to 5tph, although there are references that would indicate 8tph, which was the plan until the publishing of the RUS.
My reference on the TfL website is http://www.tfl.gov.uk/modalpages/6310.aspx which refers to 4 tph to/from Crystal Palace and another 4tph to/from West Croydon.

Thank you for this, I think I was look at a : to West Croydon route, only.

I thought I saw somewhere that there will be 10 ELL trains per hour.

From an earlier post by Michael:

"5.3.7 - 10 trains per hour (tph) on the East London Line (ELL), up from 8 originally planned in the draft version"

Hilltop - to be fair to Southern there are major improvements in the pipeline (although these have been promised for years I agree).

Both the Shard development and Thameslink 2000 (!) projects have approval and are underway. The bad news is that although demolition is happening now, the financing of the Shard looks under threat, and Thameslink 2000 won't be finished until 2015.

There an impression of the new piazza at London Bridge @ http://www.shardlondonbridge.com/informa...nloads.php

I believe now the Qataris have got onboard with extra funding for the Shard, and that now contracts for supplying steel and so forth have been awarded, so things seem good on that front.

http://www.building.co.uk/story.asp?sect...116716&c=3