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brian


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Post: #1
04-09-2010 02:59 PM

[Off-topic posts moved from SE23 Topics > Youth robbing folks in the street -admin]

I am sure they are misunderstood well intentioned future citizens of this great land.

Only jesting , but that would be the official line.

Why would you want to inflict the good Citizens of Port Moresby with these dregs of our society. Believe they have enough problems of their own.

Stocks would certainly be a progressive start , I am sure supported by most British people , except of course usual liberals who also think the criminal is hard done by.

Hopefully there was CCT cameras about.

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Hawkesrah


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04-09-2010 08:52 PM

[Off-topic posts moved from SE23 Topics > Youth robbing folks in the street -admin]

BNV
What happened to you doesnt surprise me. About a year ago a friend of mine was mugged for his wallett & an expensive watch. The persons involved were waiting around the Wetherspoons pub and they followed him under the railway tunnell. He was 66 at the time. These were older blacks aged about 18/20 riding on bikes.

Not long after this I was waiting at the 185/365 bus stop next to the Abbey (Now Santander). A group of 4 blacks riding bikes fitting the description of the ones who mugged my mate were hanging around the cashpoint machines.

I sensed they were eyeing me up and decided to walk to William Hills betting shop. Sure enough they followed me but it was obvious they were hoping I went under the station tunnell. When I went into the betting shop they were confused and reacted as though their plan had gone wrong.

In that area they are mainly watching people who go to Santanders cashpoint machines and they wait outside Wetherspoons.

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Hawkesrah


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04-09-2010 09:00 PM

BNV
When these things happen always make a note of the exact time and place it occured especially if CCTV is involved. Another thing is regarding the the tall slim black boy was he of Somalian appearance? Tell us what road you were robbed in. Detail is essential.

Somalians look very different from other blacks and are usually easy to identify. I have noticed a Somalian boy who fits the description you gave frequenting this area. In fact he lives across the road but I dont think he is a criminal type.

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BnV


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04-09-2010 09:09 PM

hey hey hey hey @Hawkesrah - read the screen.

have relayed all *detail is essential*. info - location, how, who etc etc. check the short thread. this was NOT a group of *blacks*.

ps - i have a very good eye for ethnicity don't worry -whether east or west african... am not prejudice.. the focus here is on the GROUP. & its parts.


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BnV


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04-09-2010 09:22 PM

just to reinforce @Hawkesrah - this isn't a black/white thing.
I appreciate your concern & input though, thanks.
Being fairly worldly & extensively socialised - I can spot a 'gang' .
This was not an organised gang as far as your particular experience is concerned.
This was a group of kids. teenagers.

...& once again, on paper I cannot type as fast & as vehemently as I can speak.


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Hawkesrah


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05-09-2010 09:55 AM

BNV
Tut tut you still havent stated the time and place of the crime. It should be something like, outside Wetherspoons at a time between 5 & 5.30. The importantance of the time is that it saves police time when they trawl through the CCTV.

This means I wont be able to help you overcome your weaknesses in the future which is a shame for you

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hillwalker


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05-09-2010 10:32 AM

I think Bnv has clearly said it happened outside wetherspoons just after midnight on the 1st Septmber. Not sure they could give much more detail.

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grahamw


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05-09-2010 10:32 AM

I'm really shocked at the racism displayed in these posts from Hawkesrah.

You clearly have an issue with black people, but why don't you keep it to yourself instead of trying to twist posts like this to your own agenda?

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Merlin


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Post: #9
05-09-2010 10:42 AM

Hawkesrah - BNV has reported all the details related to the unfortunate incident to the right authorities, s/he has also posted here to alert people to be more mindful when out and about in the area.
I find your repeated references to 'blacks' offensive - particularly when BNV has already stated it was a mixed group in relation to gender and ethnicity - the common thread in the group is that they were young people. Not all young people are involved in crime and sweeping statements like yours are destructive.

I am a white adult, but I am not Rose West, Harold Shipman, Peter Sutcliffe, Myra Hindley etc etc.

Sorry to divert the topic a bit, glad you are ok BNV, thanks for raising our awareness.

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brian


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05-09-2010 12:23 PM

I think we are getting carried away regarding the ethnic persuasions of the criminals concerned. Obviously the unfortunate citizen who was attacked was probably asked by The Police to give descriptions which would of course involve a racial element. How could it be otherwise.

Surely the main point should be to get the thugs behind bars as quickly as possible.

On the first point I am continually upset by every form I fill in usually containing a question about racial origin. I refuse to answer accept if forced to just British. Am I alone in my annoyance of these questions.

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Merlin


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Post: #11
05-09-2010 12:49 PM

Brian, I doubt that you would find the description 'Blacks' on any monitoring form - unless of course you were signing up for something via the BNP.

The concerns raised here are about assumptions and blanket statements that appear to be racist in nature.

There are laws against discrimination, hence monitoring forms in relation to all the diversity strands (Age, gender, sexuality, ethnicity, faith and disability)

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brian


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Post: #12
05-09-2010 01:03 PM

Merlin
I appreciate your comments.
Normally says Black British , Afro Caribbean , Black African etc etc.

I know there are laws against discrimination which I support but still think we should not be asked this questions on every form.

I would accept British Citizen/ Subject or Alien , if they insist that should be enough.

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Merlin


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05-09-2010 01:19 PM

Hello again Brian Smile

We can refuse to answer the questions if we want, they're just anonomised statistics for monitoring purposes and the forms generally have a 'refused to answer' box (yep, you've still got to fit into a box I'm afraid!)

I'm not innocent enough to think statistics are really useful but my initial comment still stands that to refer to fellow humans as 'blacks' is offensive and ignorant.

Right, I'm getting off this topic before I get called a wooly liberal!

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BnV


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Post: #14
05-09-2010 01:54 PM

Chaps - perhaps you can create another thread for this monitoring discussion. I've seen it pop up previously.
I'd rather not have my point routed down the garden path any further than the nonsensical Hawkesrah has already taken it in such short steps.

Wow ..although I tell you what, I am enjoying a raucous giggle over his "This means I wont be able to help you overcome your weaknesses in the future which is a shame for you." ..blimey SAS? let us talk about overcoming weaknesses hey, on top of overal inability to absorb salient points clearly made... oh &

"Somalians look very different from other blacks and are usually easy to identify. [OK?] I have noticed a Somalian boy who fits the description you gave frequenting this area. In fact he lives across the road but I dont think he is a criminal type." An entirely hysterical, null void & redundant statement Laugh
- Somalians? ..boy fitting description I gave..?? Huh? Eye-rollingly absurd -all asians look alike & all swedes have blonde hair & there be pirates in cornwall, ooo-arrr.
- oh hang on, the once criminal Somalian suspect (who?) 'frequenting' Forest Hill is no longer under suspicion because he now doesn't look criminal & he lives across the road....

Oh stop it... Rofl
Enough now, this is serious...


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pixysunflower


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Post: #15
05-09-2010 03:54 PM

Two Sundays ago I was returning to Honor Oak Park at about 9.30pm. I was at the junction about to turn left into Honor Oak Park from Brockley Rise when I saw a group of 3-4 young boys with hooded tops. They were white, one had a silver chain. That boy was about to hit a tall man who was about to cross over the road by the bus stop and then aborted his blow and the group ran acoss the road and up Brockley Rise towards where I had been in my car. I don't know if this was going to be a mugging or an act of random violence. I thought about reporting it but then thought about how it might sound - nothing actually happened. Does anyone know what one should do in this situation. I felt guilty that maybe this group of feral youths would attack someone else.

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BnV


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05-09-2010 06:13 PM

Pixy - report it to the Safer Neighbourhood team ..if you give it a google you can easily find out if there is one that looks after Honor Oak/Brockley.
Drop them a quick email or give them a buzz - this is just the sort of thing they need & want to know about.

Here's the original topic btw, before it went off course.

http://www.se23.com/forum/showthread.php...9#pid28449

take care


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NewForester


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Post: #17
05-09-2010 06:54 PM

That will be Crofton Park Team
020 8721 2485
CroftonPark.SNT@met.police.uk
http://www.met.police.uk/teams/lewisham

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Baboonery


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Post: #18
09-09-2010 08:21 AM

Can we not EVER have a crime thread on here without capital punishment for trivial offences, cutting off of hands, and the like? It's disgusting.

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Londondrz


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Post: #19
09-09-2010 09:03 AM

Can we cut off feet then?

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brian


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Post: #20
09-09-2010 11:27 AM

I agree Capitol Punishment extreme for non murders but what punishment would you say fits the crime of assault with menaces on the Queen's Highway??
Surely you must admit today's punishments do not fit the crime.

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