However ddboy your comment could be applied to many businesses on the estate some of whom have been operating for years.One of Mr P;s major businesses has just hit the rocks. Mr P seems as capable as the rest of us mere mortals in making mistakes and getting their fingers burnt. That doesnt mean we should sit back and be smug about the mistakes that others may make. And it certainly doesnt excuse the anti child position of many, not all, on the estate.