SE23.com - The Official Forum for Forest Hill & Honor Oak, London SE23
Online since 2002   11,000+ members   72,000+ posts

Home | SE23 Topics | Businesses & Services | Wider Topics | Offered/Wanted/Lost/Found | About SE23.com | Advertising | Contact | |
 Armstrong & Co Solicitors



Poll: Who would use ELL and who would continue to use London Bridge service?
I will use ELL
I will use LB service
[Show Results]
 
Post Reply  Post Topic 
Who will use ELL and who will stick to London Bridge services?
Author Message
Jon Lloyd


Posts: 151
Joined: Nov 2007
Post: #1
22-10-2009 11:37 AM

A poll.

[Admin note: Please use this thread for voting only - related comments can be posted in the existing thread.]

Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
rbmartin


Posts: 1,074
Joined: Nov 2007
Post: #2
22-10-2009 05:49 PM

You should really have a third option for both.

Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
roz


Posts: 1,796
Joined: Mar 2005
Post: #3
22-10-2009 07:53 PM

Yes, the P4.

Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
rbmartin


Posts: 1,074
Joined: Nov 2007
Post: #4
22-10-2009 08:09 PM

Or the 176/185.

Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Jon Lloyd


Posts: 151
Joined: Nov 2007
Post: #5
22-10-2009 08:17 PM

Oh, I was really hoping it would be one or the other on a regular basis. I'm really trying to get a feel for how this will be balanced, and I guess if there's an option for 'both' it's anyone's guess how busy either service will be. It's not rocket science obviously but maybe this will give a more clear-cut result for my simple brain.

Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Jon Lloyd


Posts: 151
Joined: Nov 2007
Post: #6
22-10-2009 08:20 PM

I guess what I'm really wondering is, will so many people go for the ELL that it won't matter too much if the LB service is reduced (as I envisage happening, no matter what they say), or will ELL be fairly empty (great for those who use it, but not me), and the LB be even more packed than usual.
If people get buses instead anyway that's not really the issue here.

Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
nasaroc


Posts: 144
Joined: Jun 2005
Post: #7
22-10-2009 08:52 PM

Jon - a poll like this really isn't going to achieve a worthwhile result. The numbers voting will be too small.

ELL traffic surveys indicate that approximately one third of existing passengers will use the ELL; the remainder will continue to use Southern services.

These findings correspond exactly with an extensive survey carried out by the FH Society about one year ago.

However, you should not deduce from these figures that the ELL will therefore be relatively uncrowded. ELL surveys also indicate that the ELL line will initially attract about 35 % extra new passengers (over and above those already using our local stations). You should also note that each ELL train carriage is designed to take a full load of around 165 passengers. With only 20 seats in each carriage - the trains are designed so that 80% of passengers stand - the chances of getting a seat during busy periods by the time ELL trains reach FH, is practically nil.

If you are looking to travel in relatively uncrowded and relatively comfortable trains the conclusion is clear - we need to hold on to our existing trains to and from LB.

Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Satchers


Posts: 262
Joined: Nov 2007
Post: #8
22-10-2009 11:04 PM

Please add an option for both. I can't choose either at the moment as it would give an unfair result.

Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
junegapi


Posts: 106
Joined: Nov 2007
Post: #9
25-10-2009 08:34 AM

It depends on where one wants to go. There are so many alternative options for FH residents. Just an option of ELL or LB is a poor choice.

Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
wayfarer


Posts: 119
Joined: Nov 2006
Post: #10
26-10-2009 03:56 PM

I work in Canary wharf, hence survey response is: Both

Morning: via London Bridge
reason: ELL stops at Canada Water (one stop before Canary Wharf), and it is already nigh on impossible for connecting passengers to get on. ELL will only make this worse.

Afternoon: via ELL
reason: Will hopefully cut the journey.

Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Mattfh


Posts: 25
Joined: Nov 2007
Post: #11
26-10-2009 04:49 PM

wayfarer wrote:
I work in Canary wharf, hence survey response is: Both

Morning: via London Bridge
reason: ELL stops at Canada Water (one stop before Canary Wharf), and it is already nigh on impossible for connecting passengers to get on. ELL will only make this worse.

Afternoon: via ELL
reason: Will hopefully cut the journey.

Ditto for the same reasons. Canada Water was always a problem in the morning prior to ELL shutting down for the extension. Any benefit of shifting a proportion of people onto the ELL in the mornings to Canary Wharf will surely be lost in swathes of people continuing to get on the Jubilee line at London Bridge (and earlier) from every other direction anyway.
The evenings might be different however. Perhaps we've stumbled across some of the "justification" for our impending reduced preak overland services in the evenings but not the mornings.

Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
junegapi


Posts: 106
Joined: Nov 2007
Post: #12
26-10-2009 06:29 PM

Which is why there'll be 6 trains in the morning rush hour but only 4 in the evening?

Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Mattfh


Posts: 25
Joined: Nov 2007
Post: #13
27-10-2009 10:08 AM

junegapi wrote:
Which is why there'll be 6 trains in the morning rush hour but only 4 in the evening?

I'm just speculating wildly in the fraustrating absence of a meaningful official reason.

Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply

Friends of Blythe Hill Fields


Possibly Related Topics ...
Topic: Author Replies: Views: Last Post
  TfL considering running the Overground into London Bridge rbmartin 35 6,081 17-03-2024 07:20 PM
Last Post: nottinghillbilly
  Petition to reinstate our lost London Bridge trains nottinghillbilly 19 6,617 26-10-2023 12:00 PM
Last Post: Ger
  TfL proposed RADICAL changes to bus services in South and Central London samuelsen 12 8,029 09-07-2022 10:36 AM
Last Post: samuelsen
  London Bridge to Victoria 'Loop Line' trains - update clausy 0 3,011 08-11-2021 07:44 PM
Last Post: clausy
  Cuts to London Bridge trains SEN 4 5,836 08-11-2016 02:35 PM
Last Post: Poppy9560
  London Bridge service changes SEN 3 5,973 08-09-2016 07:55 PM
Last Post: rbmartin
  London Bridge to Charing Cross - How do you do it? eastofthetrack 7 9,927 19-08-2015 01:05 PM
Last Post: eastofthetrack
  London Bridge trains - here's the best and the worst peak services Decker 333 277,584 04-08-2015 09:59 AM
Last Post: Londondrz
  Southern trains into London Bridge mrwandle 85 80,876 05-12-2014 04:50 PM
Last Post: Tinkerbell
  London Bridge shut over Easter squashst 1 4,668 16-04-2014 11:01 AM
Last Post: michael
  London Bridge Irregularities this Friday 28th March michael 2 6,123 28-03-2014 08:44 AM
Last Post: michael
  24 dates without southern trains to London Bridge next year mrwandle 13 15,612 14-09-2013 12:43 PM
Last Post: Mr_Numbers
  Southern services from London Bridge Jon Lloyd 13 14,822 07-12-2010 09:18 AM
Last Post: showtunesgirl
  Lost - between London Bridge and Fairlawn school tttttttttttttt 2 6,713 18-11-2010 09:28 AM
Last Post: tttttttttttttt
  What's going on with the 5:27am Southern Service Forest Hill to London Bridge? ukulele_lady 0 4,293 10-08-2010 06:49 AM
Last Post: ukulele_lady
  What Platform at London Bridge loca 6 10,218 07-01-2008 01:03 PM
Last Post: shzl400
  Direct services from FH to London Victoria roz 17 20,058 22-12-2007 07:29 PM
Last Post: michael
  8:24 to London Bridge from HOP Jon Lloyd 21 25,966 23-11-2007 06:09 PM
Last Post: Londondrz