Could not agree more Applespider. On all points.

Perryman, I see the points you are making, however there is no denying the bendy buses are a nightmare and should never have appeared on most of the routes they have. Getting rid of them is without a doubt costly, but neccessary too.

I notice you dont make any mention of how much the drop in fares may have cost TfL, and what impact it may have had with financial blackhole. Im sure its a pretty large contributor.

Apple makes a good point that regardless of what factors people try and bring into the matter, London's buses are good value compared to other cities, and for people who travel long distances into town, great value compared to the old fares.

Amazing how quickly people forget how expensive buses were before. Cant have it both ways.