I have sympathy with both camps here. Elizabeth, my children are now old enough to take themselves to the pub. When they were young however, if they were in a pub or a restaurant then it was implicit that they behaved in a civilised manner. These are adult environments and should be treated as such. I don't think that many people object to the presence of children but they do object to a pub being treated as a kind of creche/playgroup. When you have young children it is easy to turn a blind eye to behaviour that is likely to upset people that just want a quiet drink, soaked in their own urine of course, but I think all that people are asking for is a bit of consideration.