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London City Airport’s Airspace Modernisation Consultation
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jgdoherty


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Post: #1
22-08-2019 09:17 PM

The Forest Hill Society has been engaging with London City Airport for some time, particularly over the adverse environmental impacts on residents of the twenty-mile, low altitude, concentrated level arrivals flight path introduced by the Airport over SE London early in 2016.

The Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) as the regulator and primary decision maker for UK Airspace has directed that UK airports prepare Airspace Change Proposals and submit them to the CAA in a Seven Stage process all of which may take up to five years before they are implemented. This government led programme to modernise UK airspace which is anticipated to be completed by 2025, is all part of a European and world-wide initiative to modernise how our airspace is used.

London City Airport has published its first outputs in this process and is seeking responses by 25 August 2019.

It has emerged that LCA’s consultation in 2014 was not as wide nor as complete as might have been expected. Questions had been raised about these processes, the narrowness of the consultation base and the outcomes. Some of these issues have been overtaken now by the new CAA directive to modernise the airspace, that has led to LCA being instructed to engage in a second round, all as part of the national exercise.

LCA failed to introduce any mitigation measures when the flight paths were redesigned in 2016. A single concentrated arrivals flight path under 2000 ft over SE London was an appalling environmental misjudgement by the airport. Until this has been corrected no further expansion should be proposed by the airport or considered by any London planning authority. It is noteworthy that the airport was warned very clearly about the expected environmental impacts on the overflown but chose to go ahead anyway.

The consequences for residents in our community who live under the low level narrow corridor flight path is hugely detrimental to their well-being and entitlement to enjoy open-spaces and their gardens without excessive noise intrusion.

Some of these questions have remained unanswered about the conduct of that 2014 consultation and certain behaviours are re-emerging in the current round that suggest that consultees must be alert to key matters being systematically ignored or excluded from consideration in the mandated processes by LCA.

We have concluded that the LCA approach to this consultation is specifically shaped to deliver objectives that are much more closely aligned to the needs of the airline industry as opposed to a balanced approach that makes full and proper consideration of the needs of the communities affected by the current and future airspace design.

London City Airport’s Airspace Modernisation Consultation under the national Our Future Skies programme can be viewed at:

https://www.londoncityairport.com/corpo ... ture-skies

Forest Hill Society response plus explanatory information can be seen at:

https://1drv.ms/b/s!AuV6NOp8I8tAp1vfUqATNHOgL9KP

You are invited to make a response as you may see fit or cut and paste the “Formal Responses – Recommendations “ or sections of it into the space provided at Q4 on the online response web-page:

https://assets.ctfassets.net/ggj4kbqgcc ... e_Form.pdf

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Erekose


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25-08-2019 06:48 PM

Just made one of my periodic complaints to Heathrow as the noisy planes seem particularly bad tonight. Including a lot of prop driven planes which seems more unusual.

This post was last modified: 25-08-2019 06:49 PM by Erekose.

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ThorNogson


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Post: #3
27-08-2019 01:38 PM

The London City Airport Masterplan consultation ends 20th Sept and we could do with some help. I have a stock of around 300 Defend Your Weekend postcards needing distributing for people to register their objections to the proposed expansion by ticking a few boxes and sending to a Freepost address. You can also drop into the All Inn One to pick one up and fill it in over a pint. The post box is just across the road from the pub.

Could anyone who lives under the flightpath deliver maybe 50 or 100 of these to local homes near you that you know are also affected by the aircraft noise?

We have already covered 700 homes on Horniman Hill, that is the Tewkesbury Estate. Also the homes on the hill the other side of Catford, the Corbett Estate. Climate Action Lewisham have distributed another 200. What about homes around Lordship Lane/ Dulwich Park, or Lowther Hill and Blythe Hill areas? Please PM me if you can do this. I can deliver to you. thanks.

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jgdoherty


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Post: #4
27-08-2019 03:43 PM

I can deliver in the Bellingham ward part of Catford.

Next time in AIO can you drop some more off and i will pick them up. 70-100 should be enough.

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samuelsen


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Post: #5
27-08-2019 08:28 PM

If you've got the windows open or are in the garden, yes you'll hear planes flying above, but Remember You're Living In London.

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Erekose


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Post: #6
28-08-2019 06:06 AM

The changes to flight paths three(?) years ago seemed to result in a lot more planes over SE23. Going back 30+ years we were not troubled in this way.

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ThorNogson


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Post: #7
28-08-2019 09:50 AM

Thanks for the reminder. If you would like to experience the doubling of noisy London City aircraft at under 2000 ft over Forest Hill, the ending of the 24 hour ban on flying on Sat and Sunday, and an increase in the number of their early morning and late evening flights, then I'm sure the Airport will appreciate a rare letter of support.

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ThorNogson


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28-08-2019 10:23 AM

HACAN East will be holding a public meeting, jointly with the No3rdRunway Campaign and Plane Hell Action, covering London City and Heathrow expansion on 4th September, 7-9pm, St Mark’s Church Kennington, 337 Kennington Park Rd, SE11 4PW

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Erekose


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28-08-2019 10:52 AM

You’re suggesting I write to support it?

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ThorNogson


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Post: #10
28-08-2019 10:56 AM

entirely up to you. Doesn't sound as though you'll be sending in a postcard but if you want to there are plenty in the All Inn One.

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ThorNogson


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Post: #11
28-08-2019 10:57 AM

sorry no - I meant to reply to someone else's comment, not yours!
This comment.
If you've got the windows open or are in the garden, yes you'll hear planes flying above, but Remember You're Living In London.

This post was last modified: 28-08-2019 10:58 AM by ThorNogson.

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ThorNogson


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31-10-2019 11:00 AM

just a reminder that John Stewart, Chair of HACAN East, the aircraft noise campaign group has invited interested local residents to this meeting tonight to discuss next options in the campaign to stop London City Airport expansion.

31st October : Catford –St Lawrence Church, 37 Bromley Rd, Catford, SE6 2TS, 7.30 -9pm (aimed at people in Catford and Forest Hill).

The expansion Masterplan consultation ended with a bang last week, when the Mayor of London weighed in with multiple reasons why he could not support their plans. He joined most of the 13 overflown London Boroughs in his opposition, including Lewisham, Tower Hamlets, and Newham, the Airport’s planning authority. He included in his response several of the points about noise and flight paths that the Forest Hill Society argued for in a meeting with his senior transport advisors a couple of months ago.

A decent summary from AirportWatch reproduced below:-
Sadiq Khan, the Mayor of London, has warned London City Airport that “unfettered growth is not an option” as he criticised its plans for expansion. He said residents must have a break from plane noise, and the airport should take its air pollution and environmental responsibilities more seriously. The airport, in a densely populated area of east London, is increasingly used for holiday travel – not business – and it wants to increase the current cap of 111,000 flights/year to 137,000 by 2030 and to 151,000 by 2035. It hopes for 5 million passengers this year, but wants up to 6.5 million per year. The Mayor said the current plans “would not be in the interest of Londoners”. He said noise from planes was a “fundamental issue” as changes to flight paths three years ago meant some areas were being flown over too often. Also that breaks from flights – overnight, and for 24 hours from lunchtime on Saturday – “must not be eroded” and the airport should use new technology to give residents more relief, not just to maximise profits. He said the airport mus t consider CO2 emissions from flights in its carbon reduction plans, as its current target of “net zero emissions by 2050 “does not include flights – only airport terminals, vehicles, and other ground operations.
http://www.airportwatch.org.uk/

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