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Council's Plans for Camberwell Cemetery Woodland
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samuelsen


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Post: #81
13-06-2017 03:27 PM

The land was originally purchased for burial, but has been used as a sports rec ground until such time its requirement comes to fruition.

Lewis - what you want is NO burials in either Camberwell Old or New cemeteries

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samuelsen


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13-06-2017 05:39 PM

http://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/docume...e.pdf?T=10

Planning consent was granted in November 2000 for the change of use from the Honor Oak Nursery to cemetery use. This application covered all of 'Area B' and 'Area A' to the north. The permission was implemented in 2001 by virtue of a extension of the existing cemetery between
35 the Park and the former nursery. Parts of the site have since been used for storage and maintenance that is ancillary to the wider workings of the cemetery. As a result, cemetery use is the lawful use of the site.

'Area B' to which this application principally relates is a 1.51 hectare area in the south-eastern corner of the broader cemetery site, sitting adjacent to Honor Oak Park. The site was formerly occupied by a horticultural nursery and training centre, though the greenhouses and other structures were demolished in 1990. At present, the site is largely a combination of hardstanding and concrete foundations associated with the former uses and grassland. It also
contains a council site compound, a vehicular access route to Honor Oak Park and a car park serving the cemetery and the adjoining allotments and sports ground. Area B is currently fenced off with no public access.

The Council's Recommendation is GRANT PERMISSION

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LewisSchaffer


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Post: #83
13-06-2017 05:45 PM

and the Tate Modern was originally a power plant. And Tyrburn was gallows.

the questions I have is 1) why do you, as a Lewisham resident, care about keeping burial in the borough of Southwark? Is it because you want your Council to be able to dig up Ladywell and Brockley cemeteries?

and 2) how could you think that a few years of burial plots is more important that a sports field for children?



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samuelsen


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Post: #84
13-06-2017 10:41 PM

Does it really matter where I live.
When you happily slag off England in your tweet, clearly you don't like it here, our way of life or how we do things democratically.

As I have already stated the rec was always designated for burial till such time it was required. If you want green space you'll see SE22/SE23 are spoilt for the amount we have in comparison to other parts of inner London.

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Decker


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Post: #85
14-06-2017 10:18 AM

Ummmm I think he is exercising his Democratic right to suggest an alternative use of the land as a resident of the area.

Your claim that all of the land, including football pitches, play area and allotments "was always designated for burial". There's no legal basis for this as far as I can see. So any usage change of this land will each have its own planning / change of use application needed to be done.

Each application should go through the normal democratic/council process. No single entity is entitled to the land. Nobody should be personally attacked for objecting to any proposal.

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LewisSchaffer


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14-06-2017 10:26 AM

Samuelson, Why do you support destroying your local greenspace and taking away playing fields used by Lewisham residents for burial plots that are to be used by Southwark residents when you are a Lewisham resident?

Are you an undertaker? Are you a grave digger? Or are you a local politician who wants to destroy Ladywell and Brockley Cemeteries the way Southwark is destroying its cemeteries?

Tomorrow is the planning meeting at Southwark Council. We are fighting for local greenspace and the sports fields. See photos and info below.

http://www.savesouthwarkwoods.org.uk/obj...4593742804

Decker: Our posts crossed. It important to know if someone has a vested interest in keeping burial going.

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samuelsen


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Post: #87
14-06-2017 01:28 PM

I am entitled to my opinion that happens to oppose yours. What gives you the right to prevent local burial.

Decker - all I've referred to is the Honor Oak rec which does not include the allotments.

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LewisSchaffer


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14-06-2017 02:03 PM

Samuelson: You did not deny that you are a gravedigger, undertaker or a Lewisham politician wanting to make the council money by digging up beatiful Ladywell and Brockley Cemeteries.

I dont know which is scarier - That Southwark hasn't protected the Rec and that burial there is still on the table or that Lewisham is going to go after Ladywell and Brockley Cemeteries.

Lewis Schaffer
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savesouthwarkwoods@gmail.com

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samuelsen


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14-06-2017 05:54 PM

Why this fascination with what I do.

You can't stand anyone disagreeing with you and think the louder you shout you'll get your own way, WRONG. We operate a democracy in England, if you don't like it you don't need to stay.

Where do you get the idea of Lewisham doing the same in Ladywell and Brockley cemeteries?

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LewisSchaffer


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15-06-2017 12:31 PM

Why would a Lewisham resident want to destroy acres of Honor Oak Nature Reserve, lose the sports fields and have trees cut down on One Tree Hill for burial plots which are for Southwark residents? I can understand a Southwark resident who wants to be buried locally support Southwark's burial scheme but a Lewisham resident? (and who hates kids and trees and wildflowers)

There is a Planning Committee Meeting tonight at Tooley Street.

http://www.savesouthwarkwoods.org.uk/obj...4593742804

6.30pm Thursday 15th June
outside Southwark Council
160 Tooley Street London SE1 2QH
7.00pm Planning Committee

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samuelsen


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Post: #91
15-06-2017 01:02 PM

Which borough I live in really in all honesty makes no odds to this discussion, you live in Nunhead, so why I ask are you sticking your beak in? At least I live within walking distance of both cemeteries.

If you bothered to read the post, you'll find I have said the land has been used as a rec, but was designated for burial till such time it is needed. The use of other land prevents the rec from being used for burial space.

And to clarify further trees are NOT being felled on One Tree Hill, this is you scaremongering, trees are being felled in Camberwell New Cemetery on land ADJACENT to One Tree Hill, a very different issue.

Where have ever said I hate children, trees and wild flowers?? This is you AGAIN mis-interpreting what people say, you seem to specialise in mis-interpretation and do it very badly. You've obviously been trying to take lessons from Trump!







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LewisSchaffer


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Post: #92
15-06-2017 01:21 PM

Find photos of trees being cut on One Tree Hill to lay out burial plots. In the background is the top of the hill.

       

Yes, you support the destruction of trees, nature, heritage and children's sports fields to create burial plots in Southwark.

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samuelsen


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Post: #93
15-06-2017 01:35 PM

Lewis - why do you continue to mis-interpret what I have said?

Trees are NOT being felled on One Tree Hill, they are being felled in Camberwell New Cemetery on land ADJACENT to One Tree Hill, a very different issue.

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LewisSchaffer


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15-06-2017 02:14 PM

Sorry. You mean 'No trees have been felled in the One Tree Hill Local Nature Reserve.' That is true

But the Nature Reserve makes up only part of One Tree Hill. One Tree Hill is a geographic term and is larger than the reserve.

Trees have been felled on One Tree Hill for burial plots, scarring the hill for generations. See photo.



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samuelsen


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15-06-2017 03:10 PM

No, One Tree Hill is as it says, One Tree Hill. Running from Honor Oak Park to Brenchley Gardens. It is not a nature reserve. See

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=one+tr...850!4f13.1

You like playing semantics, just say something the way it is.

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LewisSchaffer


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Post: #96
15-06-2017 11:08 PM

Southwark's Planning Committee yesterday approved the 1022 burial plots on the land next to Honor Oak Park Station. I mean, it was really approved years ago but Southwark had to go through the motions. Southwark put the hoardings up so no one could look in and then photograghed the site for the planning applications after they had strimmed it to death. Luckily, we got some photos after it had grown back. Not that it will matter.

I know this land is in Southwark but it is in the Honor Oak Nature Corridor and would have been used by many Lewisham residents. Now it will be just like area next the sports fields. And Southwark will go after the Rec, too. Mark my words.

Ah, well.

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LewisSchaffer


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18-06-2017 11:26 AM

The X marks what was the Glade on One Tree Hill. Southwark cut down dozens of trees on the Hill to create space for new burial plots - scarring the hill for generations.

We are against cutting down trees to create new burial plots.

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samuelsen


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18-06-2017 12:57 PM

Lewis, if you care to look at where you have placed an X on the area you call the glad, then if you look to the left you'll note the boundary for One Tree Hill, so as I have explained umpteen times, it is NOT on One Tree Hill, (in fact it is no where near One Tree Hill, it is on land in proximity to One Tree Hill. A huge difference.

Again and I hate to have to point this out, but you really do yourself no favours by stating things which are factually incorrect.

Oh, and one other thing, if and when the Council ever come looking for the Rec, you'll have the whole community standing side by side with you.

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LewisSchaffer


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18-06-2017 07:25 PM

Samuelson The lady who runs Friends of One Tree Hill thinks the same as you.

It is true that most of the wooded area on One Tree Hill is in the Nature Reserve. but some of the wooded areas on One Tree Hill is on Cemetery land.

It was a hill before it was a nature reserve. And a hill doesn't end at a fence or boundary. Please follow contour lines.

They are cutting down trees on One Tree Hill and they are ripping up Honor Oak Nature Corridor land, right next to the train station.

Who will speak up against this?

Lewis
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samuelsen


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18-06-2017 08:16 PM

Lewis, so I am not the only one then?

The boundary determines where one piece of land finishes and the next starts, what bit of this do you fail to comprehend.

Your continued distortion of the facts gets people's backs up. You fail to listen to reason, cannot tolerate anyone arguing against what you say and believe the louder you shout you'll get listened to, wrong, look what happened to you at the Planning Committee.

I am not prepared to further argue the same point as all that happens is that you go round in circles.

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