Yes Roz I was on the council waiting list as I previously stated and was told it would be years and years before I got offered anything - yet we see people having loads of kids and not bothering to work and going straight to the top of the list, he has told you about his relative who takes the p and ive told you about an ex work college daughter who has done the same for the last 10 years - so yea there are some that do take the p and make a career out of benefits, yes i agree that for those who have fallen on hard times [ redundancy/illness ] do need help as its not that easy to have savings now days for rainy days that may come over the horizon in the future