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localbigwig


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Post: #101
14-01-2016 12:46 PM

You are spot on with your observation of how some shoulder chips are formed.

But to be serious for a moment, just how much would a bag of chips
cost in CW.Smile

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P1971


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14-01-2016 12:51 PM

I think I'm normal, a tad mad (not in the clinical sense, well I hope not anyway) but normal all the same :-)

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John Daker


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Post: #103
14-01-2016 02:35 PM

Surely if you wanted to live in the CW area you could? In the past 15 years I have worked on around 3,000 flats in the area to the south of it, of which only a relatively small proportion are the dreaded 'social rented' type. There are plenty to buy with prices aimed at those who work in the new city (or just want to buy to leave). Most of those developments contain shared equity flats for those just starting out on the fiscal ladder.
Re: overt social cleansing of inner city areas.
I thought that went away with Shirley Porter and her 'Building Stable Communities' activities in the 1980's? I recall she resigned and then fled the country when it came to light that she had been using public money to change the political colour of Westminster by moving out the Labour voters which was considered uncool even then.

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ringingcod


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Post: #104
15-01-2016 04:22 PM

Maybe he can't afford CW which is why he's so bitter.

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crassbelch
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15-01-2016 04:54 PM

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mrcee


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15-01-2016 09:34 PM

Try southquay and cross harbour not as much as you might think. Or new capital quay would work well for you

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robin orton


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15-01-2016 10:23 PM

Why is everyone so keen on encouraging him to go away? Is it that he's not our sort of chap?

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crassbelch
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15-01-2016 10:36 PM

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P1971


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15-01-2016 10:55 PM

Hold your boots guys!

I think we can all work together to create a little bit of paradise, which is Forest Hill to expand on a great local community!

Running for cover now! Hats on and baseball bat at the ready 54321 👊

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Codrington Brill


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16-01-2016 11:39 PM

Why are the tories helping comfortably off young people get on the housing ladder through help to buy and starter homes? Surely your desire to eliminate affordable housing should apply doubly these schemes.

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localbigwig


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17-01-2016 12:27 AM

I agree with P1971’s sentiment, this thread has got a bit ugly.
Surely we can all agree that we just want to live in a nice community
and that we can count ourselves lucky that Forest Hill and HOP are good places to live,
and yes, we should all work together and try to keep it that way.

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17-01-2016 01:06 AM

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17-01-2016 01:19 AM

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Codrington Brill


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17-01-2016 08:40 AM

I'm not sure a fire sale of such homes would have an effect but presumably you've done the maths?

If concern about the housing bubble is the behind all this then I share those concerns. Personally I think London will be finished unless affordable housing keeps pace with demand. I think the simplist way to do this are to create rent controls and proper long term tenancies like in most parts of the world. This would presumably also reduce house prices as it would effectively lower the value of the land for buy to let investors.

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robin orton


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17-01-2016 10:20 AM

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I agree with P1971’s sentiment, this thread has got a bit ugly.

If people think I have contributed to that ugliness, I apologise. As so often in this sort of case, the post in question it was an attempt at online humour which failed - a misjudgement on my part for which I am sorry. I was certainly not seeking seriously to attack anyone.

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17-01-2016 12:54 PM

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Erekose


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17-01-2016 02:11 PM

Rent controls used to work fine until the Thatcher regime abolished them along with minimum space standards. Minimum space standards have now returned thankfully so maybe rent controls will also make a comeback.
I do like the irony that it has been some years since we could have afforded to buy the house we currently live in but I don't think selling off the remaining stock of social housing will fix that. I also can't see the idea of moving all of Londons poor to the empty North and moving affluent young folk into their slab blocks is the way forward as it will be a long commute back for them to clean the offices, serve the coffees and sweep the streets of the capital. Shared equity seems like a good way of subsidising the cost of housing for the young but is really just a different form of in work benefit and fails to tackle the real issue which is the divisive inequality which has grown up in our society in my lifetime. When I was young those on average incomes could easily aspire to own a house but currently my children will have to wait until we expire to have any chance of even getting started unless the multiplier becomes 10x or more the annual salary.

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Codrington Brill


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Post: #118
17-01-2016 03:08 PM

For new housing the problem is that landowners and developers do not factor affordable housing (or rent controls if applied) to the purchase price of the land. As such, when they apply for planning permission they say, sorry gov, no money left for that. Look what happened to elephant and Castle.

The problem is that most in power (except BoJo?) will not take risk of saying, it's now unaffordable buy a house let's build rented properties. The big housebuilders are actually very pro building rented properties and quite anti starter homes being classed as affordable because they can see that there is a hugely bigger market for rented properties in London.

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Erekose


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17-01-2016 06:13 PM

I read somewhere recently that the pension funds are looking at this as a new revenue stream which would inject some long term committment into the private rental market.
It seems to me that given its large zones of public housing FH could easily absorb a lot more private sector housing without anything like gentrification taking place.

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Anotherjohn


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Post: #120
17-01-2016 08:13 PM

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I agree with P1971’s sentiment, this thread has got a bit ugly.


On the contrary - I think everyone has been very well behaved given that many of the opinions shared here are poles apart.

I have found this thread to be thoroughly stimulating and that's mainly because of the other person's staunch and steadfast beliefs combined with the eloquent way he puts and justifies his arguments against any opposition, which, in the main, have been equally well put.

So, as far as I'm concerned, thank you for the great debate; and keep it coming!

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