One correction - I should have said parent-and-toddler bashing. Late night quick posting.

However I stand by the rest of my post, SE23.com has form for this kind of thread (e.g. 'children in cafes' and 'children in pubs' amongst others) and generally it doesn't end in reasoned discourse, but in cliches and 'in my day kids were seen but not heard' type posts. It's one of the things that puts me off posting on here about any family or child related issues, I find if you stick to posts about the local area you are fairly safe, but for family stuff I use other local forums.

I have kids myself, but they are at school so I am usually in cafes on my own in the daytime. I am not trying to be indignant for others, or make excuses, I mainly wanted to make the point that I honestly haven't witnessed all the awful behaviour people are talking about (and I go to cafes more often than I should probably admit...)