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Another stabbing , this time Brockley
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Snazy


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04-09-2015 11:25 AM

The mindless violence is far from over it would seem. Very sad to see another life lost to what is such a cowardly act.

http://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/136460...d_locally/

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ForestHillier


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04-09-2015 11:49 AM

Cant really see it ever ending myself

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Snazy


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04-09-2015 12:44 PM

Not ending as such, but becoming far less the way to deal with issues.

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ForestHillier


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04-09-2015 12:53 PM

Agreed it is senseless - yet most of these youths belong to gangs doing all sorts of things.

If you live by the sword - you will ................

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Snazy


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04-09-2015 02:14 PM

Indeed.
The depressing part about it is this pose they all seem to strike in their photos. The intimidating 2 finger pretend gun gangsta look.
I don't get it!

And sadly when such a picture is posted in tribute, you are immediately drawn to one conclusion.

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ForestHillier


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05-09-2015 12:09 PM

Agree totally with you Snazy, however generation has had its hoodlums, teddy boys, mods and rockers, skinheads, punks etc, appears now that they have no respect for life at all and think its a big deal if they live to 30, very sad, just glad that my 2 boys - well one is a man now[ 20 ] the other one is nearly 14 totally agree that gang membership will only lead to one of 2 things, you either end up in prison or dead

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milliemop


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06-09-2015 08:12 AM

Two fifteen year olds arrested...............yes 15 year olds!!!!!!!!! What is happening in this world!!!!!! RIP young man 💙

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Snazy


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07-09-2015 11:31 AM

My reaction exactly Milliemop, horrible to see, hard to understand.

Even more worrying is the number of tweets from Lewisham and surrounding police areas, and the arrests and confiscations of weapons. Quite worrying to think that there are really that many people, violent, scared, paranoid, and just simply willing to carry a knife around as a daily thing, like your purse, wallet or phone.

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Snazy


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07-09-2015 11:40 AM
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jollyrog


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07-09-2015 11:56 AM

It is fortunate for the media that the Metropolitan Police mostly have photographs of the victims when alive and can quickly supply them after the event.

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michael


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07-09-2015 01:09 PM

Another stabbing and another set of assumptions about the presumed guilt of the victim. Phases like 'If you live by the sword...' and 'most of these youths belong to gangs' make it seem as if the victim was probably just asking for it.
At present I don't think there is any evidence of gang membership by the victims, in fact most reports suggest this is not true (earlier reports made the standard set of assumptions about a young black man dead).

Apologies for the link to the Daily Mail which provides some possible background:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...riend.html

Anybody can be a victim of knife crime, although it is clearly more likely in certain estates or even high streets not that far from Forest Hill.

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ForestHillier


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07-09-2015 01:20 PM

Well Im sorry if thats the way my post read

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rshdunlop


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07-09-2015 01:51 PM

The boy who died was a friend of my friend's son. Assuming these things only happen to children who are putting themselves at risk by being in gangs or engaging in criminal activity makes it easier to stomach - it makes it seem less likely that it could happen to people 'like us'. Sometimes, though, it does.

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hoona


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07-09-2015 01:56 PM

It's desperately sad and, quite frankly, this stabbing in particular has made me seriously think about moving out of London. It seems it's not gang-related anymore...

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ForestHillier


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07-09-2015 02:03 PM

Then indeed this is very sad and please accept my apologies for the mis- written thread i sent earlier

Very worrying times indeed

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michael


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07-09-2015 03:04 PM

We are lucky that such incidents are very rare, even in South East London. Sadly deaths on the roads kill many more people than assaults. Figures from ONS for 2014 show that across all of England and Wales the numbers of people assaulted and killed between ages of 15-34 years old was 110. This compares to almost 1000 classified as 'intentional self-harm', 631 involving transport, 1300 involving accidental poisoning.

Young adults are 10 ten times more likely to kill themselves than be killed by somebody else.

Other stats from 2013 show that "UK murder rate has fallen by half since 2003" (and probably continues to fall).

There is no doubt that Inner South East London has more than it's fair share of violence and murders, and although they make the headlines, they are very rare events.

My sympathies are with the victims in this case and their family and friends. I don't want to belittle the suffering caused by any violent death.

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