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Should This Not Be An Arrestable Offence
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ForestHillier


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06-07-2015 11:20 AM
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ForestHillier


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06-07-2015 11:34 AM

As didnt someone get arrested and imprisoned for laying a bit of bacon inside/outside a mosque ?

Really think we are to soft in this Country - there is to much freedomn

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Snazy


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06-07-2015 12:54 PM

Not quite sure the two offences are comparable.
While I have no time for the group the flag represents, it would be deemed as freedom of expression, but in poor taste.

Wrapping bacon around door handles of a mosque would be seen as racially motivated hatred, so taken more seriously as it is a physical act against a group or faith.

I understand the point you are making, just don't think there are grounds for arrest unless the flag waving was accompanied by shouting racial hatred, or preaching in favour of the groups actions.

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rshdunlop


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06-07-2015 01:53 PM

Freedom of speech is an important right, and we should make sure it is protected for those we disagree with as much as those we do, unless, of course, they break specific laws on hate crimes.

That man should be as free to wave that flag here as I should be to wave a flag of my choice in an Isis / Isil / Daesh held territory.

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ForestHillier


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06-07-2015 01:54 PM

Fair points Snazy - yet what of I were to walk around with a flag that had a swastika on it - im pretty sure that i would be nicked and rightly so, so should someone who walks around with an IS flag not be treated the same ?

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ForestHillier


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06-07-2015 01:55 PM

yeah but there is no way you could wave a flag of you choice in one of them countries - as i said there is to much freedom in this country

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rshdunlop


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06-07-2015 01:58 PM

You are right, I wouldn't be able to. That's exactly what makes us different from them. Isn't this one of the reasons we oppose these radicals? Because they curtail freedoms? Don't we want to protect democracy because we believe it protects those freedoms? By saying there is too much freedom here, you are saying you want us to be more like them.

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ForestHillier


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06-07-2015 02:00 PM

yep very good points rshdunlop

This post was last modified: 06-07-2015 02:00 PM by ForestHillier.

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Londondrz


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06-07-2015 02:25 PM

We live in a country where you are still allowed to be an idiot.

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ForestHillier


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06-07-2015 02:30 PM

Sadly that comment is correct

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Snazy


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06-07-2015 08:28 PM

I'm pretty sure you can dress as a Nazi or wave any form of their materials around, freely in the UK. Again, how you will be perceived by others is another matter, but it doesn't change your rights as a citizen of a democracy.

As rsh said, that is what makes us different, vulnerable or open to abuse some might say, but at the same time, the same freedom which allows it, allows you to express your own opinions about these factions.

Strange world.

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06-07-2015 09:06 PM

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Erekose


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06-07-2015 09:20 PM

Agreed it can't really be a racially motivated attack but it is an attempt to affront one groups beliefs.

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Snazy


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07-07-2015 08:58 AM

Apologies for the wrong phrase, chosen in haste. Agreed it is religiously motivated.
The remainder of the comment remains as stated Smile

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ForestHillier


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07-07-2015 09:24 AM

Whatever the freedoms we have, this if its true is still in pretty poor taste with it being so close to 7/7 and also just after the Tunisia tragedy

Then again - as we have all said before - its a mad world, im just grateful that there are so many nice people on this forum

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iwozere


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08-07-2015 07:24 AM

Agreed.
We should also remember that extremism occurs with tragic and not always equally recognised and acknowledged reflections from within ''our'' heritage:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/...73271.html

Give Britain its due, it held a ceremony in Westminster Abbey to commemorate the victims - people WE failed despite the ''never again in Europe'' mantra.

Unsung and unacknowledged however, an anniversary that is coming up and which I know some argue led to Britain betraying its Mandate responsibilities to the Palestinians:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

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