Folks, let's take this down a notch as I think we have a case of multiple misunderstandings here.

ForestHillier is right to comment that many (not all) drivers have considerable dislike for cyclists, because so many (not all) of them demonstrate either complete contempt or total ignorance of the Highway Code - and of the basic practices that will keep themselves alive.

Ligersaur, in my view, interpreted this (wrongly) as a broad-based assault on all cyclists and countered with the 'murdering drivers' comment simply as a way of demonstrating that you can no more lump all cyclists together as being idiots than you can say that all drivers are murderers.

And then ForestHillier, in my view, interpreted that comment (wrongly) as a broad-based assault on all drivers.

So let's all take a deep breath, count to ten, and remember that - regardless of whose fault it was - there's been a real tragedy at Bank.