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Perryman


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04-02-2008 01:53 AM

Thanks michael.
It seems to me that network rail are beginning to recognise that there is a requirement to provide a full morning rush hour service to London Bridge (after the overground is up and running). Well done!
They may even realise in time that there is an equal requirement to get people home again in the evening from LB.

It seems progress is being made so congratulations. But please do not call this orbital overground 'the tube' even in fun! The tube is something different, and hopefully one day the jubilee bakerloo or northern line will at long last be extended into our neck of the woods.

For the record, this is answer 4 from from the network rail document faq:

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4. Why are you proposing to withdraw morning rush-hour trains (0700-1000) on the Sydenham Line to London Bridge? And what about trains to Victoria?

The combined effects of a) accommodating at least 8 new East London Line trains each hour on this route, and b) the reduction from 9 to 6 in the number of terminating platforms at London Bridge from around 2011/12 (to enable Thameslink construction) mean that there is unlikely to be any spare capacity at London Bridge to accommodate the same number of terminating services as there are today.

The timetable currently being developed for 2010 calls for 6 trains per hour (tph) in the morning peak to London Bridge from all stations from Sydenham northwards, in addition to the East London Line (ELL) trains. Based on arrivals into London Bridge between 0800-0859 these are the changes relative to today:
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New Cross Gate would maintain today?s 6tph in the high peak to London Bridge
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Brockley and Honor Oak Park would each see an increase from today?s 4tph to 6tph in the high peak to London Bridge
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Forest Hill and Sydenham would each see a reduction from 7tph to 6tph in the high peak to London Bridge, but see below.
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Penge West and Anerley would each have 4tph to London Bridge, approximately double the service today.
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Norwood Junction would have 4tph running fast to London Bridge, as at present, together with stopping services.

The slight reduction into London Bridge for Sydenham and Forest Hill is seen as unavoidable and is based on the maximum number of trains that can be fitted onto the network. Whilst this is a small overall reduction at these two stations it would be offset by:
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Originating these services from much nearer to Sydenham. At present they start from places as far away as Caterham. By starting them much nearer, we expect there to be more space available on them
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Running them all at maximum 8-car length as far as possible; in the longer-term future, the likely recommendation is to lengthen these trains further to 10 cars from around 2015 when the necessary longer platforms at London Bridge will be available
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Diversion of an increasing level of the demand onto the East London Line services
In any further development of this proposal, we will examine whether it is possible to bring forward the lengthening of at least some of the trains to 10 cars pending the full implementation proposed for 2015.

At present there is no morning peak service from the Sydenham Line to Victoria. Such a service could only be operated by a reduction in the Norwood Junction to Victoria frequency. However, ELL will provide this journey opportunity in the morning peak, by interchanging at Crystal Palace. With respect to today?s through London Bridge ? Crystal Palace ? Victoria 2tph service (which operates at times other than the morning peak), the RUS has not made any specific recommendations because it mainly examines only morning peak services.

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RE: East London Line Closure - davidl - 30-10-2007, 11:23 AM
RE: East London Line Closure - Baboonery - 30-10-2007, 12:10 PM
RE: East London Line Closure - Sherwood - 30-10-2007, 11:27 AM
RE: East London Line Closure - loca - 30-10-2007, 01:57 PM
RE: East London Line Closure - davidl - 30-10-2007, 02:59 PM
RE: East London Line Closure - loca - 30-10-2007, 04:10 PM
RE: East London Line Closure - Sherwood - 30-10-2007, 04:35 PM
RE: East London Line Closure - PVP - 30-10-2007, 05:05 PM
RE: East London Line Closure - Baboonery - 30-10-2007, 06:46 PM
RE: East London Line Closure - Betrel - 30-10-2007, 06:13 PM
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RE: East London Line Closure - Perryman - 31-10-2007, 01:07 AM
RE: East London Line Closure - pattrembath - 31-10-2007, 08:38 AM
RE: East London Line Closure - loca - 30-10-2007, 06:43 PM
RE: East London Line Closure - baggydave - 30-10-2007, 07:05 PM
RE: East London Line Closure - PVP - 31-10-2007, 01:38 PM
RE: East London Line Closure - Sherwood - 31-10-2007, 04:42 PM
RE: East London Line Closure - nevermodern - 31-10-2007, 07:46 PM
RE: East London Line Closure - Sherwood - 31-10-2007, 08:42 PM
RE: East London Line Closure - nevermodern - 31-10-2007, 09:13 PM
RE: East London Line Closure - nasaroc - 07-11-2007, 01:14 PM
RE: East London Line Closure - Simon - 08-11-2007, 10:47 AM
RE: East London Line Closure - Foresters - 08-11-2007, 11:06 AM
RE: East London Line Closure - nevermodern - 07-11-2007, 05:22 PM
RE: East London Line Closure - nasaroc - 07-11-2007, 07:08 PM
RE: East London Line Closure - Sherwood - 07-11-2007, 09:35 PM
RE: East London Line Closure - nasaroc - 08-11-2007, 12:02 PM
RE: East London Line Closure - Baboonery - 08-11-2007, 02:01 PM
RE: East London Line Closure - roz - 08-11-2007, 02:49 PM
RE: East London Line Closure - Deanos - 08-11-2007, 03:26 PM
RE: East London Line Closure - Deanos - 08-11-2007, 05:27 PM
RE: East London Line Closure - nasaroc - 09-11-2007, 10:37 AM
RE: East London Line Closure - michael - 13-11-2007, 04:32 PM
RE: East London Line Closure - loca - 23-11-2007, 04:43 PM
RE: East London Line Closure - seeformiles - 30-11-2007, 02:07 AM
RE: East London Line Closure - leah - 19-12-2007, 01:08 PM
RE: East London Line Closure - leah - 19-12-2007, 01:10 PM
RE: East London Line Closure - shzl400 - 19-12-2007, 01:32 PM
RE: East London Line Closure - michael - 19-12-2007, 06:00 PM
RE: East London Line Closure - michael - 19-12-2007, 06:02 PM
RE: East London Line Closure - ambient - 20-12-2007, 01:20 PM
RE: East London Line Closure - robwinton - 19-12-2007, 10:26 PM
RE: East London Line Closure - Sherwood - 20-12-2007, 09:31 PM
RE: East London Line Closure - Foresters - 20-12-2007, 10:20 PM
RE: East London Line Closure - Sherwood - 20-12-2007, 10:39 PM
RE: East London Line Closure - michael - 21-12-2007, 10:16 PM
RE: East London Line Closure - Foresters - 21-12-2007, 05:48 PM
RE: East London Line Closure - shzl400 - 21-12-2007, 08:02 PM
RE: East London Line Closure - Perryman - 22-12-2007, 01:33 AM
RE: East London Line Closure - michael - 22-12-2007, 11:54 AM
RE: East London Line Closure - Sherwood - 24-12-2007, 05:59 PM
RE: East London Line Closure - shzl400 - 24-12-2007, 07:51 PM
RE: East London Line Closure - Sherwood - 24-12-2007, 10:10 PM
RE: East London Line Closure - Sherwood - 24-12-2007, 10:15 PM
RE: East London Line Closure - michael - 24-12-2007, 11:50 PM
RE: East London Line Closure - Sherwood - 27-12-2007, 03:13 PM
RE: East London Line Closure - michael - 02-02-2008, 04:26 PM
RE: East London Line Closure - steveb - 05-02-2008, 03:53 PM
RE: East London Line Closure - Ghis - 02-02-2008, 06:01 PM
RE: East London Line Closure - michael - 02-02-2008, 10:53 PM
RE: East London Line Closure - Perryman - 03-02-2008, 11:40 AM
RE: East London Line Closure - michael - 03-02-2008, 12:23 PM
RE: East London Line Closure - Perryman - 04-02-2008 01:53 AM
RE: East London Line Closure - michael - 04-02-2008, 08:28 AM
RE: East London Line Closure - Perryman - 05-02-2008, 04:01 PM
RE: East London Line Closure - steveb - 05-02-2008, 06:48 PM
RE: East London Line Closure - michael - 05-02-2008, 05:30 PM
RE: East London Line Closure - baggydave - 05-02-2008, 10:16 PM
RE: East London Line Closure - michael - 03-11-2008, 02:23 PM
RE: East London Line Closure - PVP - 04-11-2008, 06:57 PM
RE: East London Line - Sherwood - 18-01-2010, 05:33 PM
RE: East London Line - newcomer - 25-01-2010, 01:19 PM
RE: East London Line - Sherwood - 26-01-2010, 07:46 AM
RE: East London Line - davidl - 26-01-2010, 12:26 PM
RE: East London Line - michael - 26-01-2010, 01:26 PM
RE: East London Line - newcomer - 26-01-2010, 05:33 PM
RE: East London Line - Elizabeth25 - 27-01-2010, 12:19 PM
RE: East London Line - Sherwood - 27-01-2010, 12:59 PM
RE: East London Line - michael - 27-01-2010, 01:31 PM
RE: East London Line - Elizabeth25 - 27-01-2010, 04:09 PM
RE: East London Line - Pstaveley - 21-02-2010, 09:43 PM
RE: East London Line - michael - 21-02-2010, 10:47 PM
RE: East London Line - michael - 22-02-2010, 01:10 PM
RE: East London Line - Pstaveley - 23-02-2010, 01:52 AM
RE: East London Line - Perryman - 23-02-2010, 02:22 PM
RE: East London Line - Pstaveley - 23-02-2010, 05:19 PM
RE: East London Line - Perryman - 23-02-2010, 10:38 PM
RE: East London Line - rbmartin - 18-03-2010, 01:12 PM
RE: East London Line - Happysnapper - 08-04-2010, 01:36 PM
RE: East London Line - Elizabeth25 - 16-04-2010, 12:00 PM
RE: East London Line - Pstaveley - 16-04-2010, 12:04 PM
RE: East London Line - Elizabeth25 - 16-04-2010, 12:46 PM
RE: East London Line - rbmartin - 16-04-2010, 01:04 PM
RE: East London Line - Pstaveley - 16-04-2010, 04:45 PM
RE: East London Line - Foresters - 16-04-2010, 04:55 PM
RE: East London Line - Pstaveley - 16-04-2010, 04:59 PM
RE: East London Line - rbmartin - 16-04-2010, 05:07 PM
RE: East London Line - Foresters - 16-04-2010, 05:13 PM
RE: East London Line - Pstaveley - 16-04-2010, 05:19 PM
RE: East London Line - rbmartin - 16-04-2010, 05:25 PM
RE: East London Line - Pstaveley - 16-04-2010, 06:35 PM
RE: East London Line - rbmartin - 16-04-2010, 08:35 PM
RE: East London Line - NewForester - 16-04-2010, 11:02 PM
RE: East London Line - rbmartin - 21-04-2010, 06:46 PM
RE: East London Line - nevermodern - 21-04-2010, 06:56 PM
RE: East London Line - rymerster - 21-04-2010, 07:35 PM
RE: East London Line - rbmartin - 21-04-2010, 07:51 PM
RE: East London Line - Foresters - 21-04-2010, 08:30 PM
RE: East London Line - rbmartin - 21-04-2010, 08:35 PM
RE: East London Line - bill_town - 22-04-2010, 10:06 AM
RE: East London Line - rbmartin - 22-04-2010, 10:19 AM
RE: East London Line - rbmartin - 26-04-2010, 02:46 PM
RE: East London Line - Redalways - 26-04-2010, 03:10 PM
RE: East London Line - michael - 26-04-2010, 03:38 PM
RE: East London Line - rbmartin - 26-04-2010, 04:35 PM
RE: East London Line - Muss - 26-04-2010, 07:22 PM
RE: East London Line - rbmartin - 26-04-2010, 07:36 PM
RE: East London Line - jonnyse23 - 27-04-2010, 10:00 AM
RE: East London Line - showtunesgirl - 27-04-2010, 10:05 AM
RE: East London Line - rbmartin - 27-04-2010, 10:07 AM
RE: East London Line - PVP - 27-04-2010, 11:33 AM
RE: East London Line - Muss - 27-04-2010, 12:20 PM
RE: East London Line - rbmartin - 27-04-2010, 12:28 PM
RE: East London Line - FHSoc - 27-04-2010, 12:56 PM
RE: East London Line - showtunesgirl - 27-04-2010, 01:08 PM
RE: East London Line - Red67 - 27-04-2010, 02:37 PM
RE: East London Line - rbmartin - 27-04-2010, 03:27 PM
RE: East London Line - FHSoc - 28-04-2010, 01:31 PM
RE: East London Line - rbmartin - 28-04-2010, 02:15 PM
RE: East London Line - FHSoc - 28-04-2010, 02:56 PM
RE: East London Line - Jon Lloyd - 28-04-2010, 04:27 PM
RE: East London Line - rbmartin - 28-04-2010, 04:33 PM
RE: East London Line - blushingsnail - 29-04-2010, 12:38 PM
RE: East London Line - rbmartin - 29-04-2010, 12:48 PM
RE: East London Line - Jon Lloyd - 29-04-2010, 12:48 PM
RE: East London Line - Jon Lloyd - 29-04-2010, 12:49 PM
RE: East London Line - rymerster - 29-04-2010, 01:08 PM
RE: East London Line - blushingsnail - 29-04-2010, 01:46 PM
RE: East London Line - blushingsnail - 29-04-2010, 03:19 PM
RE: East London Line - rbmartin - 29-04-2010, 03:26 PM
RE: East London Line - michael - 29-04-2010, 03:30 PM
RE: East London Line - blushingsnail - 29-04-2010, 05:07 PM
RE: East London Line - NewForester - 29-04-2010, 05:16 PM
RE: East London Line - dbboy - 05-05-2010, 04:46 PM
RE: East London Line - rymerster - 12-05-2010, 01:49 PM
RE: East London Line - rbmartin - 12-05-2010, 01:53 PM
RE: East London Line - roz - 12-05-2010, 10:54 PM
RE: East London Line - rbmartin - 12-05-2010, 11:24 PM
RE: East London Line - Foresters - 13-05-2010, 04:30 AM
RE: East London Line - rshdunlop - 13-05-2010, 07:05 AM
RE: East London Line - aj1 - 13-05-2010, 08:34 AM
RE: East London Line - showtunesgirl - 13-05-2010, 09:30 AM
RE: East London Line - rbmartin - 13-05-2010, 10:28 AM
RE: East London Line - michael - 13-05-2010, 11:01 AM
RE: East London Line - wayfarer - 13-05-2010, 11:31 AM
RE: East London Line - rbmartin - 13-05-2010, 11:46 AM
RE: East London Line - Mattfh - 13-05-2010, 12:03 PM
RE: East London Line - Erekose - 13-05-2010, 08:59 PM
RE: East London Line - NewForester - 17-05-2010, 10:37 AM
RE: East London Line - rbmartin - 17-05-2010, 10:41 AM
RE: East London Line - Foresters - 17-05-2010, 11:20 AM
RE: East London Line - ChrisR - 17-05-2010, 12:47 PM
RE: East London Line - Foresters - 17-05-2010, 01:06 PM
RE: East London Line - rbmartin - 17-05-2010, 01:20 PM
RE: East London Line - nevermodern - 18-05-2010, 04:33 PM
RE: East London Line - tripandfuschia - 18-05-2010, 05:23 PM
RE: East London Line - Londondrz - 18-05-2010, 05:45 PM
RE: East London Line - rbmartin - 18-05-2010, 08:22 PM
RE: East London Line - michael - 20-05-2010, 09:03 AM
RE: East London Line - Baboonery - 20-05-2010, 10:23 AM
RE: East London Line - rbmartin - 20-05-2010, 10:51 AM
RE: East London Line - Londondrz - 20-05-2010, 12:33 PM
RE: East London Line - tripandfuschia - 20-05-2010, 03:17 PM
RE: East London Line - Ghis - 20-05-2010, 03:33 PM
RE: East London Line - roz - 20-05-2010, 08:10 PM
RE: East London Line - Foresters - 20-05-2010, 09:10 PM
RE: East London Line - roz - 20-05-2010, 09:18 PM
RE: East London Line - michael - 21-05-2010, 07:26 AM
RE: East London Line - NewForester - 21-05-2010, 12:25 PM
RE: East London Line - NewForester - 21-05-2010, 12:29 PM
RE: East London Line - rbmartin - 23-05-2010, 05:17 PM
RE: East London Line - tripandfuschia - 23-05-2010, 05:31 PM
RE: East London Line - rbmartin - 23-05-2010, 05:53 PM
RE: East London Line - Muss - 23-05-2010, 06:02 PM
RE: East London Line - ryananglem - 23-05-2010, 06:30 PM
RE: East London Line - tripandfuschia - 23-05-2010, 06:33 PM
RE: East London Line - tripandfuschia - 23-05-2010, 06:38 PM
RE: East London Line - rbmartin - 23-05-2010, 07:15 PM
RE: East London Line - tripandfuschia - 23-05-2010, 09:50 PM
RE: East London Line - rbmartin - 23-05-2010, 09:57 PM
RE: East London Line - Ghis - 24-05-2010, 06:53 AM
RE: East London Line - squashst - 24-05-2010, 07:41 AM
RE: East London Line - Herbert - 24-05-2010, 10:41 AM
RE: East London Line - Cellar Door - 24-05-2010, 01:51 PM
RE: East London Line - rbmartin - 24-05-2010, 05:53 PM
RE: East London Line - Erekose - 24-05-2010, 09:21 PM
RE: East London Line - Gaz - 25-05-2010, 12:47 AM
RE: East London Line - tripandfuschia - 25-05-2010, 08:00 AM
RE: East London Line - Applespider - 25-05-2010, 07:43 PM
RE: East London Line - rbmartin - 25-05-2010, 08:02 PM
RE: East London Line - tripandfuschia - 25-05-2010, 09:32 PM
RE: East London Line - rbmartin - 25-05-2010, 10:05 PM
RE: East London Line - tripandfuschia - 26-05-2010, 10:00 AM
RE: East London Line - jon14 - 27-05-2010, 09:38 AM
RE: East London Line - rbmartin - 27-05-2010, 10:11 AM
RE: East London Line - blushingsnail - 27-05-2010, 12:13 PM
RE: East London Line - rbmartin - 27-05-2010, 12:44 PM
RE: East London Line - roz - 28-05-2010, 06:04 PM
RE: East London Line - rshdunlop - 28-05-2010, 06:08 PM
RE: East London Line - rbmartin - 28-05-2010, 07:13 PM
RE: East London Line - michael - 28-05-2010, 07:55 PM
RE: East London Line - Sherwood - 01-06-2010, 07:07 AM
RE: East London Line - Brockley_Babe - 01-06-2010, 12:53 PM
RE: East London Line - Mickey - 01-06-2010, 01:03 PM
RE: East London Line - squashst - 01-06-2010, 01:34 PM
RE: East London Line - PackOfDusters - 01-06-2010, 01:49 PM
RE: East London Line - ryananglem - 01-06-2010, 02:34 PM
RE: East London Line - rbmartin - 01-06-2010, 04:21 PM
RE: East London Line - seeformiles - 02-06-2010, 08:40 AM
RE: East London Line - ambient - 02-06-2010, 08:55 AM
RE: East London Line - showtunesgirl - 02-06-2010, 09:23 AM
RE: East London Line - michael - 02-06-2010, 09:49 AM
RE: East London Line - nevermodern - 02-06-2010, 12:19 PM
RE: East London Line - aj1 - 02-06-2010, 12:49 PM
RE: East London Line - Sherwood - 04-06-2010, 07:14 AM
RE: East London Line - michael - 04-06-2010, 07:19 AM
RE: East London Line - Sherwood - 04-06-2010, 09:58 AM
RE: East London Line - roz - 04-06-2010, 10:19 AM
RE: East London Line - michael - 04-06-2010, 10:25 AM
RE: East London Line - Poppy9560 - 04-06-2010, 10:37 AM
RE: East London Line - NewForester - 04-06-2010, 02:59 PM
RE: East London Line - oryx - 04-06-2010, 07:53 PM
RE: East London Line - dita-on-tees - 04-06-2010, 11:40 PM
RE: East London Line - rbmartin - 04-06-2010, 11:44 PM
RE: East London Line - michael - 16-06-2010, 04:04 PM
RE: East London Line - FHSoc - 17-06-2010, 11:13 AM
RE: East London Line - Foresters - 17-06-2010, 11:39 AM
RE: East London Line - rbmartin - 17-06-2010, 11:44 AM
RE: East London Line - shzl400 - 03-09-2010, 11:54 AM
RE: East London Line - rbmartin - 03-09-2010, 09:35 PM
RE: East London Line - shzl400 - 04-09-2010, 07:05 AM
RE: East London Line - rbmartin - 04-09-2010, 07:31 AM
RE: East London Line - BarCar - 26-09-2012, 09:59 AM
RE: East London Line - rbmartin - 26-09-2012, 10:15 AM
RE: East London Line - michael - 06-12-2012, 12:26 PM
RE: East London Line - michael - 21-01-2013, 03:35 PM
RE: East London Line - Poppy9560 - 22-01-2013, 10:58 PM
RE: East London Line - rbmartin - 22-01-2013, 10:59 PM
RE: East London Line - BarCar - 22-01-2013, 11:04 PM
RE: East London Line - Poppy9560 - 23-01-2013, 09:19 PM
RE: East London Line - MightyMouse - 24-01-2013, 07:15 AM
RE: East London Line - squashst - 24-01-2013, 08:08 AM
RE: East London Line - Belle - 24-01-2013, 10:39 AM
RE: East London Line - Tinkerbell - 24-01-2013, 12:00 PM
RE: East London Line - AMFM - 24-01-2013, 12:12 PM
RE: East London Line - Belle - 24-01-2013, 12:19 PM
RE: East London Line - rshdunlop - 24-01-2013, 01:58 PM
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