To answer your question, you got charged the standard NR fare via Zone 1 as you used London Terminals.

It would've been cheaper to travel to Clapham Junction from HOP, then go to Mortlake that way. You'd still be charged the NR rate too.

On the way back, you'd got charged the combined TfL/NR rate which is the standard NR fare to Waterloo plus £1.10 as you used both NR and TfL services.

The principle is from now on, if you use the Overground and don't travel via London Bridge to get into town, you'll get charged the TfL fare. If you use London Bridge or other stations in the national rail network, such as East Croydon, Purley or Sutton, the old National Rail Oyster PAYG fare still applies.

Why is Sydenham shown as the interchange station on the ELL/LO when it doesn't have platform to platform lifts and Forest Hill does?

I would be quite annoyed to have changed at Sydenham with a buggy to find that one stop before or after was much more accessible?

That is unless you are going to Perry Vale......

Satchers:

Because the interchange is for people wishing to continue heading south, say to East Croydon. There would be little point getting off a ELL train at NXG, FH etc and then squeezing onto a Southern train that was still dropping off people at the local stops to Sydenham when a change at Syd is more sensible!

Thanks for that, I thought I had been charged more than when I have used London terminals but done the whole journey on NR before the ell opened. I only came back on JUbilee line and ell to see how easy it would be

Ok, lets get somthing straigt. The "old" East London Line ran as far as New cross and New Cross Gate. It was on the underground map as it was a "real" underground service.

The Overground replacement is NOT an underground service. It is also NOT an extension to West Croydon or Crystal Palace, rather the stations have been rebranded as part of the Overground Service rather than the previous Southern trains franchise. Transport for London assumed responsibility for the service from New Cross and New Cross Gate to Croydon. So please can we not carry on saying the tube has come to stations up the line from New Cross and New cross Gate as it hasn't.

You mean it's not an Underground service? An Underground service does not necessarily have to be an underground service.

I agree: it's an Overground service, not an Underground/Tube service.

As far as I'm concerned, Forest Hill is on the Tube map, and that's good enough for me. It's all semantics anyway, isn't it?

Our new ELL service is both a TfL and National Rail service.

London Overground is a member of ATOC - Assocaiton of Train Operating Companies, National Rail tickets are sold at each station, while TfL fares are also avaliable.

TfL are responsible for the track and stations from Dalston to New Cross Gate, while Network Rail own and manage the line south of NXG. LOROL manage the stations on behalf of Network Rail and TfL with the exception of Canada Water and Whitechapel who are run by London Underground.

Our line is not the only one in London where TfL and Network Rail share responsibility. The Bakerloo Line from Queens Park to Harrow and Wealdstone has shared responsibility for stations and track between LUL, LOROL at Willesden Junction and Network Rail. A similar thing also happens on the District on the Richmond branch.

So does this mean I could use my 7 day 'national rail' season (£19.50) on the overground? So if I got to New Cross Gate, I could (legally) use the overground from there to Forest Hill?

It'd have to be a point to point season to a station on the ELL. e.g. FH to Shoreditch High Street.

As far as I'm aware a London Terminals season is not allowed for travel on LUL.

I imagine a National Rail-only season ticket is restricted to National Rail services and isn't valid on the Overground service. The two services have different ticketing conditions, eg before 9.30am Freedom Pass holders can use Overground services but not National Rail services. And Oyster travelcard holders travelling outside their zone can use PAYG without an OEP if they're on an Overground service, but need an OEP if they use a National Rail service.

Presumably you'd only be caught out if stopped by a ticket inspector.

Just checked the National Rail season ticket caculator.

They sell a season to Shoreditch High Street as a Underground Z1-3 ticket for £30.20 for 7 days.

A bit of a con really as LO is also a National Rail service, but it seems as SHS is a core TfL station, the ticket is considered to be a TfL/NR combined price.

I can't fathom it all out but am still reeling from a travelcard fare of over £8 today. Thankfully work are paying but still....

Was it pay as you go? Because it should be capped at a one day travel card, either peak or off peak. You might find the difference has been refunded. It's a barmy system, I know.

The peak paper travelcard and Oyster peak PAYG cap for zones 1-3 is £8.60.

There is an exhibition about the East London Line at the London Transport Museum - http://www.eastlondonlines.co.uk/2010/05...ion-opens/

I travelled on the ELL on Friday. It is very good.

It was a quick and easy ride but seemed more expensive then national rail - I paid by oystercard and it was £2.70 from Shoreditch High Street to Honor Oak Park
I hoped oyster would save us money - I spend what seems to be a small fortune on travel

ELL has completely turned my commute around!
I jump on at FH and change at Canada Water for the Jubilee, not only do I always get a seat but I also do not have that huge trek through long corridors, walk ways and masses of escalotors not to mention the unbearable crowds at Ldn Bridge!
Hoorah for ELL!

I agree with the last post. If you work in Canary Wharf - its good, quicker, more comfortable and all Zone 2/3, so no need for an annual 3 zones; and Shadwell is a good alternative (again zone 2) if Jubilee slightly cream'crackered.
And I got to see the Geffrye Museum on Bank Hol Mon.

I am surprised as to how well the ELL/Jubilee interchange at Canada Water works in the morning; my only slight caveat is they could have done with 2 escaltors down, not one.

All in all 9/10.