So what do you suggest davhel52? Are you suggesting parents (not 'mums' please) with more than one kid per adult shouldn't be allowed on buses? Where would this kind of exclusion policy stop?

I think both sides are putting valid arguments across and I neither fully support one side of the other. I do hate the usual polarised, stereotyping that goes on in these sorts of discussion though (I'm a 'self-righteous, criminal, scum' cyclist so I should be used to it by now). It'd be good if we could all accept that people in general are self-serving to some degree (even those of us who think we aren't) and could all do something to make things better. Parent's should think about what gets left in their buggies that makes it difficult to fold and remove what you can. People in general need to be more tolerant of small delays if people are trying to fold buggies, access the bus etc. And how about moving upstairs or to an empty seat rather than clinging to a pole near the exit because it's easier to get off from there?