lol once again as expected you have just ignored it, twisted it and made a brilliant yet pointless reply.
If you read back you will note (but no doubt ignore) that I have already said I am all for enforcement etc, points, fines are all good.

However the bit you have ignored again is that if they keep spitting out fines, they are NOT slowing people down.
These are 2 seperate issues, but it would be wrong to just say,no lives saved, but hey we are making money.

I have not said give up have I, oh no, thats right, I suggested other methods, eg SPEC's.

So let me try again....

Speed camera's which continue spitting out hundreds if not thousands of fines a week are proving themselves NOT to be being effective in the function they are installed for. Just like speed cushions, chicanes etc... Some just dont work.

In cases where speed cameras are clearly NOT reducing the speed on the road, then another approach should be considered, such as SPEC's.
These are not bus lane camera's... People who get tickets from them, tough, they will indeed learn. However speed cameras are about lives, and if one method is not working, try something else, rather than just accepting failure because its well paid.

I really hope that makes more sense, but im sure there is some fault there to find.

Im glad you get where I am coming from Jon.
Touching on the point you make about camera's causing accidents, this is very true, especially in the case of hidden away one on roads which get infrequent users. The A2 is shocking for this. You only have to look at the amount of skid marks near the cameras.