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A poll.

[Admin note: Please use this thread for voting only - related comments can be posted in the existing thread.]

You should really have a third option for both.

Yes, the P4.

Or the 176/185.

Oh, I was really hoping it would be one or the other on a regular basis. I'm really trying to get a feel for how this will be balanced, and I guess if there's an option for 'both' it's anyone's guess how busy either service will be. It's not rocket science obviously but maybe this will give a more clear-cut result for my simple brain.

I guess what I'm really wondering is, will so many people go for the ELL that it won't matter too much if the LB service is reduced (as I envisage happening, no matter what they say), or will ELL be fairly empty (great for those who use it, but not me), and the LB be even more packed than usual.
If people get buses instead anyway that's not really the issue here.

Jon - a poll like this really isn't going to achieve a worthwhile result. The numbers voting will be too small.

ELL traffic surveys indicate that approximately one third of existing passengers will use the ELL; the remainder will continue to use Southern services.

These findings correspond exactly with an extensive survey carried out by the FH Society about one year ago.

However, you should not deduce from these figures that the ELL will therefore be relatively uncrowded. ELL surveys also indicate that the ELL line will initially attract about 35 % extra new passengers (over and above those already using our local stations). You should also note that each ELL train carriage is designed to take a full load of around 165 passengers. With only 20 seats in each carriage - the trains are designed so that 80% of passengers stand - the chances of getting a seat during busy periods by the time ELL trains reach FH, is practically nil.

If you are looking to travel in relatively uncrowded and relatively comfortable trains the conclusion is clear - we need to hold on to our existing trains to and from LB.

Please add an option for both. I can't choose either at the moment as it would give an unfair result.

It depends on where one wants to go. There are so many alternative options for FH residents. Just an option of ELL or LB is a poor choice.

I work in Canary wharf, hence survey response is: Both

Morning: via London Bridge
reason: ELL stops at Canada Water (one stop before Canary Wharf), and it is already nigh on impossible for connecting passengers to get on. ELL will only make this worse.

Afternoon: via ELL
reason: Will hopefully cut the journey.

Ditto for the same reasons. Canada Water was always a problem in the morning prior to ELL shutting down for the extension. Any benefit of shifting a proportion of people onto the ELL in the mornings to Canary Wharf will surely be lost in swathes of people continuing to get on the Jubilee line at London Bridge (and earlier) from every other direction anyway.
The evenings might be different however. Perhaps we've stumbled across some of the "justification" for our impending reduced preak overland services in the evenings but not the mornings.

Which is why there'll be 6 trains in the morning rush hour but only 4 in the evening?

I'm just speculating wildly in the fraustrating absence of a meaningful official reason.