|Posted on Thursday, 17 August, 2006 - 04:57 pm: |
I noticed another planning application today.
This time it is 1 Waldram Crescent - the building right under the railway bridge on the South Circular.
http://acolnet.lewisham.gov.uk/LEWIS-XSLPagesDC/ac olnetcgi.exe?ACTION=UNWRAP&RIPNAME=Root.PgeResultD etail&TheSystemkey=47514
I don't mind more flats being built (though how they squeeze 6 flats into that space I have no idea), but I can imagine that construction right at that point is going to be a total traffic nightmare for the South Circular.
|Posted on Thursday, 17 August, 2006 - 05:36 pm: |
I think it will be an excellent cosmetic update for forest hill, these flats should be visible from train lines and will give impression of a nice place to live, boosting the town/ area value.
Such positive planning could even lead some people to notice our portacabin train station. A genuine travesty this day and age. Can't we get a petition out to the mayor on the basis of it possibly being worst station in South East London but 2nd most used (after Lewisham)?
|Posted on Thursday, 17 August, 2006 - 07:25 pm: |
See my thread on Forest Hill Railway Station.
Personally, I think individual letters/emails to Ken and our MP are likely to be the most effective.
|Posted on Friday, 18 August, 2006 - 09:20 am: |
I see there's been an objection to the application - I wonder on what grounds?
|Posted on Friday, 18 August, 2006 - 09:32 am: |
I imagine it came from their neighbours the garage - it will be incredibly disruptive for them. The plot they will be building on is already all built up with the current structure (this is a SMALL footprint) so where are they going to put the equipment, machinery, skips, etc? That is why I am concerned that it will badly disrupt traffic.
If you remember, a small lane closure up by the Horniman (I think it was a water mains issue) caused massive tailbacks all the way down towards Stanstead Road. It is bad enough down here already without them affecting the key junction at the railway which is the bottleneck here already.
I don't object to the plan for building, but I would like to know how they plan to resolve this.
|Posted on Friday, 18 August, 2006 - 09:50 am: |
I didn't realise being Jewish is an ethnic origin (see the TP1 document)
|Posted on Friday, 18 August, 2006 - 10:37 am: |
What's more interesting is the fact that the application (TP1) hasn't actually been signed!
Robwinton - I absolutely understand that we will all undoubtedly be frustrated by traffic disruption caused by this development, and no doubt the development to the Finches site (particularly as they are in such close proximity) but that is a necessary evil.
We cannot complain about the derelict state of sites in the area if we are not prepared to accept that any development of said sites will inevitably cause disruption. It is foolish to object to a development on such short term grounds.
|Posted on Friday, 18 August, 2006 - 11:18 am: |
Waldrum Crescent: there is some accessible land at the rear of the proposed building but the access to it is narrow so I don’t know how useful it would be. This proposal has some good points: exterior will appear the same as the adjoining terrace; separate kitchens (with window – wow!); and 3 bathrooms will have windows (double wow!).
Am I the only person who isn’t bothered about our ‘portacabin’ station? I’d rather they sorted out the subway.
|Posted on Friday, 18 August, 2006 - 11:22 am: |
Erm, the people living at 1 Waldram Crescent might object to you calling their house "derelict"! It actually lloks quite nice except for the fact that it is right under the bridge.
I have no problems with the building work, as I said twice already. I simply pointed out that this particular area is going to cause traffic problems and I can't see how they can avoid them.
In any case, shortage of housing is not FH's main problem. There are nice houses that could do with being upgraded and refurbished. We do not really need "high density" style buildings such as these. What we need is focus on getting useful and attractive businesses into FH and even the upgrade of the station.
It could be that these flats will mean businesses will come and take a look, but flats themselves don't change anything.
|Posted on Friday, 18 August, 2006 - 11:42 am: |
Isn't the proposal for the other side of the tracks? Looking at the paperwork, it appears to be for the small plot of vacant land between the terrace & the railway.
I noticed those windows, too. The ones on the side should have some interesting views.
|Posted on Friday, 18 August, 2006 - 12:05 pm: |
Calvin - you are right. the application is for a piece of land that has no building on it.
Robwinton - I used the word "derelict" as that is the word used in the application.
Housing stock and new businesses are not islands, they are very much linked.
The "useful and attractive" businesses will take a holistic look at an area and if they see good new developments going up it raises confidence in an area and they may be more likely to invest.
|Posted on Friday, 18 August, 2006 - 12:33 pm: |
Apologies, my fault.
The notice is posted on the railings of the building the other side of the bridge (not sure why) and it was this that I thought was the site.
I agree that the building and businesses are linked, but I was simply pointing out that we already have housing and it would be just as easy, and less disruptive, if these were improved rather than focusing solely on new builds. There are plenty of boarded up halls, etc. in that same row of housing that could do with redevelopment.
Having said that, now that I see it is a building on empty ground I do appreciate that this should be put to some use.
|Posted on Friday, 18 August, 2006 - 01:43 pm: |
Robwinton - I think we both fundamentally agree! I agree those boarded up premises could do with with redevelopment - maybe this new development (if permission is granted) will galvanise the landlord(s) of those premises to do something about them.
One can but hope!
|Posted on Friday, 18 August, 2006 - 03:01 pm: |
There's some work being done inside the big building next to the north-bound platform. Anyone know what it is? Did it used to be a snooker hall or something?
|Posted on Tuesday, 22 August, 2006 - 12:22 pm: |
I think the building was a drop in advice centre for young people and various community groups.
|Posted on Tuesday, 22 August, 2006 - 10:16 pm: |
I believe it used to be the Forest Hill Picture Playhouse -
|Posted on Tuesday, 22 August, 2006 - 11:28 pm: |
The van parked in their rear yard for some weeks now(next to the up platform) belongs to a company who specialises in theme pubs and restaurants- they appear to be working in this building. Have a look next time you are passing.
|Posted on Wednesday, 23 August, 2006 - 02:00 pm: |
I have seen work progressing on this building also. They appear to be gutting it at the moment. Is this the new bar/ restaurant we've all been waiting for?
|Posted on Wednesday, 23 August, 2006 - 05:38 pm: |
The building right next to the car park is/was an yoof advice centre. The older one next to it (with the pointy bits on the top) used to be a snooker hall, and was recently converted to a church (a banner is usually out on Sunday if memory serves correct).
|Posted on Monday, 04 September, 2006 - 01:34 pm: |
Saw the van that specialises in themed pubs today - address was in County Down. Next to it was an electrical installers van which said it was based in Belfast. Irish themed pub anyone?? BTW, where's the entrance? Is it directly on the main road?
|Posted on Monday, 04 September, 2006 - 01:36 pm: |
Do you mean the old timber yard.
Six houses you have got to be jesting
|Posted on Monday, 04 September, 2006 - 01:49 pm: |
"Saw the van that specialises in themed pubs today - address was in County Down. Next to it was an electrical installers van which said it was based in Belfast. Irish themed pub anyone?? BTW, where's the entrance? Is it directly on the main road?"
I really don't think so. I think the Church (does one capitalise the C for these "new" churches?) is spending a lot of money and has hired these specialists, and yes, you access it down a narrow alley from the South Circular. In fact there are some planning application notices on the front of the building talking about the renovations to the back and a new frontage.
Quite ironic if you think about it. These are companies that specialise in developing locations that pull in the punters and keep them drinking as long as possible, thus probably not the greatest friends of the bible groups.
|Posted on Tuesday, 05 September, 2006 - 01:43 pm: |
Robwinton - just to clarify, the two vans were adjacent to the north-bound platform at the station and the workmen were going into the building 'with the pointy bits on the top' that used to be a snooker hall. I was adding to the comments from 22nd/23rd August in this thread.
I'm confused. What 'new' Church? I didn't realise there was construction on a church?
|Posted on Tuesday, 05 September, 2006 - 05:47 pm: |
Depends on your definition of 'church'.
You will see a poster on the front of the building on the A205 just below the station, for "Living Springs International Church". This is 8-10 Devonshire Road.
If I am not mistaken, their front door leads into the building that connects this frontage AND the ex Snooker Hall at the back.
See here for one of their planning applications:
http://acolnet.lewisham.gov.uk/LEWIS-XSLPagesDC/ac olnetcgi.exe?ACTION=UNWRAP&RIPNAME=Root.PgeResultD etail&TheSystemkey=47794
I believe (and I asked one of the workmen clearing the rubbish into the skips by the bridge at the station) that this work is all the same project.
No Irish pub, only a church hall that I know of.
|Posted on Wednesday, 06 September, 2006 - 09:42 am: |
I'm afraid this is purely a church refurb by the looks of it.
|Posted on Wednesday, 06 September, 2006 - 02:03 pm: |
Ah, that would explain it. Cheers!! I was jumping to conclusions then. Although the fact that a pub refurb company is working on a church tickles me. A little bit of the heathens giving something back and all that.
It's nice to see something happening to the old snooker hall. I've always rather liked its unusual exterior and hoped it would be looked after.
|Posted on Thursday, 07 September, 2006 - 12:15 pm: |
In Ireland, friends of mine use the euphism 'going to Church' to mean 'going to the pub.' Entrepreneurial?