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Happy thirtieth birthday punk rock

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Baggydave
Joined 19-05-2004
Posted on Thursday, 30 March, 2006 - 01:04 pm:   

On 30 May 1996 the Sx Pistols played the 100 club on Oxford Street and the world was never quite the same since. Perhaps those of us who were around at the time have memories of how this affected SE23. We had the Au Pairs and the Nightingales up my end of the world, but my memories at the time were some Daily Mirror Headlines and a girl with died hair when on holiday that summer. Wasn't until the Jublilee the following year that it really took off, before it quickly imploded. I know that some of the bands would have played Lewisham Odeon or the Sydenham Greyhound, and from my Rockin Forest Hill web site that "the Only Ones" once lived in SE23. Deptford seems to have seen a lot more action.

Be interesting to hear from readers over 40 about their experiences, or from younger members how disappointed they were to miss all this, but to thank us for starting a movement that led to Brit Pop, trip hop, Grunge, Carter USM, Madchester scene, and now reincarnation of the early 80s Glasgow scene (Kaiser Chiefs etc).

Any mention of U2 and I will smash my monitor. Nor clever remarks that it all started with Woodie Guthrie, Elvis, Bob D, the Stones, New York Beat artists etc etc.

See the BBC: http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?thread ID=1423&&edition=1&ttl=20060330125713
Where I note See for miles has already had his say:

Punk was proabably the last time music had shock value. I remember my dad being totally outraged at the Sx Pistols' picture of the Queen with a safety pin through her nose. I also remember my mother bursting into tears when I came home with a Sex Pistols single when she thought I was buying the Bee Gees! These days, kids aren't rebelling against their parents so much as rifling through their record collections!

Seeformiles Seeformiles, Leeds, United Kingdom

Anarchy in the SE23? About time we had some.
Brian
Joined 18-04-2005
Posted on Thursday, 30 March, 2006 - 01:25 pm:   

You want anarchy in SE 23
What about The Bird in Hand
Dotcom
Joined 21-04-2005
Posted on Thursday, 30 March, 2006 - 03:39 pm:   

Or just stand around the train station for a while.
Andy
Joined 23-02-2005
Posted on Thursday, 30 March, 2006 - 04:04 pm:   

Do you think that 'Another Planet' from the Only Ones only well known song (Another Girl, Another Planet) was attempting to say something about SE23?
Hilltopgeneral
Joined 24-03-2004
Posted on Thursday, 30 March, 2006 - 08:10 pm:   

Apparently she was from Catford.
Thistleblower
Joined 24-03-2005
Posted on Thursday, 30 March, 2006 - 08:26 pm:   

I recall The Au Pairs....very much under acknowledged by all but connoisseurs of the Punk genre."Headache For Michelle"...I remember it well. But who were the Nightingales? Enlighten me please.
Baggydave
Joined 19-05-2004
Posted on Thursday, 30 March, 2006 - 09:24 pm:   

Formerly the Prefects headed by Robert Lloyd and under his own label Vinderloo - who also had Ted Chippington and most famously We've got a Fuzzbox and We're going to Use it! (later the more commercial Fuzzbox). And a lovely group called Toxic Shock. A Birmingham connection.

Late 80's Robert Lloyd was touted for stardom, having a major record deal and his new group, Robert Lloyd and the New Four Seasons.Saw them at Dingwalls, with this old bloke sitting on his own at the back (my only proper conversation with John Peel). Obviously the kiss of death - saw him two years ago in a grotty pub, with I Ludicrous as support (a great and underated band) with around thirty in attendance).

see: http://www.cherryred.co.uk/cherryred/artists/night ingales.htm

There were others but all I can remember is the Sururban Studs who were rubbish but then again I thought Richard Hell and Pere Ubu were rubbish at the time how wrong can I be, and I hated disco - you can't keep me off the floor now. Glad Thistleblower is interested doubt whether many more are. The Aupairs had "come again" banned on the radio by the way.

My other claim to fame is seeing the last ever Joy Division gig before Ian Curtis hung himself. Strange being at the Academy last year seeing New Order doing a retro set with loads of middle aged guys bouncing around and everyone joining in. I also saw the Pistols at the Screen on the Green, the Clash/Pistols/Buzzcocks on the Anarchy tour, March of the Mods (Madness), Siouxie at the 100 club, Hendrix at the Isle of Wight, Doors in LA, Dylan at Greewich Village, Ramones at CBGBs etc etc. Well maybe not.
Andy
Joined 23-02-2005
Posted on Friday, 31 March, 2006 - 09:07 am:   

Was in Brighton at the time. My intro to the genre was a band called '999' who had all the attributes, the attitude, the inability to play instruments etc. There were two very memorable concerts for very different reasons. Elvis Costello at the Top Rank. The support was Richard Hell and the Voidoids and John Cooper Clarke. Costello had just released This Year's Model, it was just fantastic. Slightly off topic, I also went to see the Jam's last concert at the Centre in 1982. I was offered 40 each for my 5 tickets but turned it down. What a mistake. It was dreadful, they had completely lost interest. The band were feuding, the audience picked up on it and there was a violent atmosphere in the place.
Dommy
Joined 27-05-2004
Posted on Friday, 31 March, 2006 - 01:05 pm:   

Slight tangent - Google Rolling Stones Forest Hill 1964 and you might be surprised...
Johnnyb7
Joined 29-03-2005
Posted on Friday, 31 March, 2006 - 04:22 pm:   

I recall returning from Murrayfield, where Billy Beaumont's England XV had just put one of our subject races in their place, and stopping off at Newcastle Uni on the way back. You could just turn up at most Unis for a weekend doss then, I don't know what its like now - report to security I suppose - anyway, Holly and The Italians were playing at the union bar and at the end everybody started throwing plastic glasses at one another and throwing up.

I remember thinking what a wonderful way to behave and I have seen or heard nothing since to change my mind.
Chaz
Joined 28-03-2005
Posted on Saturday, 01 April, 2006 - 02:49 pm:   

Off on a tangent, but Aussie rocker Bon Scott, formerly singer with AC/DC, died in Underhill Road, SE23.

After a night on the town, he was driven back to a mates house and was thoughtfully left lying in the car to sleep off the nights'excesses. Cause of death: alcohol related asphyxiation. Buried in Adelaide, Australia.
Chaz
Joined 28-03-2005
Posted on Saturday, 01 April, 2006 - 02:54 pm:   

Bon died 19th February, 1980.

His death was notable for me as I attended my first ever gig just over two weeks earlier ( AC/DC at The Gaumont Theatre, Southampton) It happened to be Bon Scott's last.
Hilltopgeneral
Joined 24-03-2004
Posted on Saturday, 01 April, 2006 - 05:33 pm:   

Without wishing to micturate on your party, Underhill Road is SE22.
Baggydave
Joined 19-05-2004
Posted on Saturday, 01 April, 2006 - 08:05 pm:   

What a pedant Hill Top General. Bon Scott story already on Rockin in Forest Hill thread. I can see the sunset over Dawson Heights as I type.

999 still going. Holly and the Italians great brummie band, someone covered their one big single "I'm going to tell that girl to shut up"
about ten years ago.
Brian
Joined 18-04-2005
Posted on Sunday, 02 April, 2006 - 11:39 am:   

BD.
Oh what is happening top your team.
Seeformiles
Joined 09-04-2005
Posted on Monday, 10 April, 2006 - 01:24 am:   

Erm...not very Punk I know, but according to Wikipedia Status Quo's Francis Rossi was born in Forest Hill. Being Wikipedia it probably needs checking but I'd like to think it was true.
Here's a good one, apparently Jim Connell (1852-1929), lyricist of The Red Flag anthem, lived for a while at 22a Stondon Park Road...
Ophelia
Joined 18-03-2005
Posted on Monday, 10 April, 2006 - 10:06 am:   

And there's a Lewisham Council red plaque on the building to prove it.
Baggydave
Joined 19-05-2004
Posted on Wednesday, 12 April, 2006 - 07:07 pm:   

Pay attention SFM. Go to Rockin in Forest Hill and you will see the Status Quo connection. And also note that our MP went to the same school.

Will he be Rockin all over Forest Hill as well?
Baggydave
Joined 19-05-2004
Posted on Wednesday, 12 April, 2006 - 07:16 pm:   

I stand corrected - the Status Quo reference was in another thread concerning celebs in our area - a repeat for those who can't be bothered to check:

Now you've got me started

I worked with Michael Keating for a number of years - I'll see if he would like to contribute!

I play badminton (the sort of game we play on our posh estate) with Jess Jaworski who was in the original Status Quo (or at that point they were probably the Spectres formally the scorpions). They met at Sedgehill School, Francis Rossi was also apparently from Forest Hill according to the various web sites (www.statusquo.co.uk seems pretty reliable) although I thought he came from Downham. [Note this is no personal endorsement of SQ]

Jed Dmochowski ex of the VIPs (pop group early 80s ) see http://groups.msn.com/MARCHOFTHEMODS/thevips.msnw
is a neighbour of mine on our posh estate, and is threatening a new career in music.

There seems to be a Polish theme here.
Seeformiles
Joined 09-04-2005
Posted on Monday, 24 April, 2006 - 09:53 pm:   

Last year I went to a birthday do in Northumberland and met a big scary looking bloke who turned out to be lovely. It was Arturo Bassick of The Lurkers fame, and when I mentioned I live in Forest Hill his eyes lit up. He reeled off a few names of venerable punks who lived round here but he mentioned one in particular that surprised me at the time. Trouble is I can't remember who it is (cheap Northumberland alchohol being partly to blame) If I heard the name again I'd probably recognise it but it's not one listed here already. Coincidentally I used to work with an ex-member of The Lurkers and he laughed his head off when I mentioned it. We all went off for a drink afterwards and he regaled us with a few colourful tales from his past. A lovely bloke.
Baggydave
Joined 19-05-2004
Posted on Tuesday, 25 April, 2006 - 07:03 pm:   

Think the Lurkers used to hang around with Chelsea in South West London. Neither had particularly good music but (of course) the latter spawned Billy Idol. See http://www.deritasisters.com/halloffame1.html
Be good to hear more. I of course was in short trousers at the time. For the three or four readers of this most excellent thread check out the exhibition in the ICA where there is a great film of Northern Soul dancing. Something that unfortunately passed me by. http://www.ica.org.uk/index.cfm?articleid=14776
Seeformiles
Joined 09-04-2005
Posted on Tuesday, 25 April, 2006 - 11:37 pm:   

Ta for the links BG. Now this is interesting..if this website is to be believed, Don Letts recalls being visited at home in Forest Hill by John Lydon and The Slits back in the day. Scroll down 'til you get to the Don Letts extract.

http://www.punk77.co.uk/groups/slitstessapolittint erview2.htm


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