|Posted on Monday, 27 March, 2006 - 05:11 pm: |
Usually I'm just a reader of SE23.com but the new bus stop outside Sainsbury's has infuriated me so much that I had to wonder if anyone else found the location of it totally baffling. For a start the shelter is smack-dab in the middle of the pavement rather than with it's back to the road. This would provide protection from the road for the waiting bus passengers and more room for the pedestrians to get past. I breathed a sigh of relief when the scaffolding from the newly renovated Sainsbury's was removed as I no longer had to walk in single file with everyone else to get past the store but now it looks like we'll all have to again, and this time permanently.
Secondly, it's only 100 yards from an area of pavement that's been widened expressly for the use of buses and their passengers. Does that make sense? If so, can someone explain it to me?
It's also highlighted the numerous street sign posts all along the pavement which I'd not really noticed before but with the new obstruction, a simple walk to the station has become an obstacle course.
I applaud the closing of McDonalds (and wait apprehensively for the successor) as this means I don't have to weave in and out of bus passengers and McD's loiterers anymore but the new bus stop really defies all logic. I had hoped that someone thought these things out before they were implemented but I really can't see any consideration here.
Am I alone?
|Posted on Monday, 27 March, 2006 - 09:12 pm: |
No, it's in a stupid place.
|Posted on Tuesday, 28 March, 2006 - 09:44 am: |
They probably moved it to attract a buyer/renter for the McDonalds site. Possible a new owner wouldn't want a bus shelter outside their door.
|Posted on Tuesday, 28 March, 2006 - 09:49 am: |
You are crediting "them" with far too much joined-up thinking. Seems highly unlikely that Landlord would have thought, "Maccy D's is moving out, what is the key factor in getting this unit re-let, must get bus stop moved"; TfL think, "Certainly old bean" and oblige.
|Posted on Tuesday, 28 March, 2006 - 11:19 am: |
It could happen...Hey, maybe it was Sainsbury's? Because the bus shelter is now in front of their walkway.
|Posted on Tuesday, 28 March, 2006 - 11:25 am: |
...and how exactly would that benefit them?!
|Posted on Tuesday, 28 March, 2006 - 01:10 pm: |
Actually, that's part of the problem. The bus stop outside defunct McD's is still there!! And I haven't seen any signs of it moving.
The only 'benefit' I can see from the new bus shelter is for the residents above Sainsburys. It partly obscures the entrance to the flats from the road and could possibly make it more secluded/less obvious?
|Posted on Tuesday, 28 March, 2006 - 01:31 pm: |
There is also what looks like a bus shelter been put up near Honor Oak Station - not quite sure of its purpose as there is a bus stop by the Old Bank and the new one has been put by the railings in a spot where a bus couldn't stop anyway - maybe its not a bus stop?
|Posted on Tuesday, 28 March, 2006 - 02:56 pm: |
Perhaps the McDonalds site could be converted into a bus shelter. On second thoughts it would probably become a seedy Victoria/Digbeth coach station (no doubt all such places are seedy). When I was a kid bus shelters also doubled up for toilets and message boards.
|Posted on Tuesday, 28 March, 2006 - 09:40 pm: |
Are these not bike shelters? The HOP one certainly looks like the start of one.
Bad that its more street furniture. Good that its for bikes (maybe) though.
|Posted on Wednesday, 29 March, 2006 - 09:47 am: |
Ahh - that would make sense - really couldn't see how a bus could stop there and thought it could be an information thing for the east london line, but rather a crazy place to put it if it was - so hopefully it is a bike shelter
|Posted on Wednesday, 29 March, 2006 - 10:10 am: |
Why would anybody put a bike shelter on that side of the road, when there is so much room in front of the old bingo hall?
|Posted on Wednesday, 29 March, 2006 - 05:01 pm: |
very possibly a requirement that Sainsbury's provide/pay for all sorts of transport and local amenity type things under their s.106 Agreement with the Council (broadly speaking for those who don't know - a s.106 is basically "If we (the Council) give you planning permission to develop this site then you (Sainsbury's) in your deep gratitiude for said permission will pay for all sorts of lovely things in the area.
|Posted on Wednesday, 29 March, 2006 - 05:24 pm: |
How about the 'art installation' in Sainsburys shop-to-let window? What's that all about then? A TV screen with scrolling red, green and blue type. Has anyone stopped to try and read it?
|Posted on Wednesday, 29 March, 2006 - 05:49 pm: |
I've tried but my eyes went all squiffy. And it looks like the number 69.
|Posted on Wednesday, 29 March, 2006 - 07:53 pm: |
Looked very much like a bus shelter with a bus stop when I walked past it tonight.
|Posted on Wednesday, 29 March, 2006 - 09:12 pm: |
No seat, no sign saying when buses will arrive. Doesn't look like a bus shelter to me.
|Posted on Wednesday, 29 March, 2006 - 10:07 pm: |
But at about 7 p.m. there was a seat and a bus stop..... maybe there really are aliens in Forest Hill moving things about.....
|Posted on Thursday, 30 March, 2006 - 10:38 am: |
I passed it last night. It was raining at the time. There were people standing underneath it and they looked like they were waiting for a bus.
Looks very much like a bus shelter to me!
|Posted on Thursday, 30 March, 2006 - 11:32 am: |
Confusion abounds! So far we have established...
1. There is a newly misplaced (in many people's opinion) bus shelter on London Road in FH at the corner of Sainsburys. It has a seat and a sign and many people are using it to catch a bus
2. There is a (quite literally) rolling news board in the window of FH Sainsbury's where the red, blue & green scroll moves around the board in a figure very much like the number 69. It's hard to read.
3. There is a new shelter which, according to popular speculation, will be a bike shelter outside HOP station. There is no seat nor sign
As an aside, after being so long a lowly reader of SE23.com, it becomes very addictive to add comments! I thank you
|Posted on Thursday, 30 March, 2006 - 12:30 pm: |
...and the new shelter on Forest Hill station (appeared on platform 1 over the weekend) is definitely for bikes. (Not that anyone ever leaves their bike there). I wonder if this is the same design as the HOP one?
|Posted on Thursday, 30 March, 2006 - 01:49 pm: |
It is amazing a new bus stop can create such a storm. I blaim Non Transport for London and our fuehrer. ( who not content with abusing jews is now abusing a VIP Diplomat ) no wonder our bus stops are a disaster.
You can never accuse me of trying to change the subject.
|Posted on Tuesday, 04 April, 2006 - 08:29 pm: |
HOP one is definitely a bike thing. Saw one in it today.
|Posted on Tuesday, 04 April, 2006 - 09:05 pm: |
Is it true the new bus shelter is sponsored by McDonald's so the local yoof have somewhere to hang out?
|Posted on Wednesday, 05 April, 2006 - 12:28 am: |
As I understand it London Buses see the installation of shelters as a great benefit to bus users and helps them in promoting the use of public transport, I understand that they aim to install shelters at every stop throughout London.
Even if this is bang outside your house.
London Buses decide on the position of their shelters, they do have a legal obligation to consult the Council and the Met Police who can only comment. I understand they have no power to object even where the shelter is blocking the pavement, attracts youths, likely to suffer from graffiti or other forms of criminal damage.
If shelters are intended to contain commercial adverts London Buses have to apply to the Council for planning permission, shelters not containing advertising (bus information is not classified as advertising) come into the category of Permitted Development and planning permission is not required.
|Posted on Wednesday, 05 April, 2006 - 12:39 pm: |
Chris - that all makes for interesting reading as I've been told to write to the Head of Highways at LB Lewisham! But it sounds like I really need to get in touch with London Buses/TfL? Will keep an eye out for advertising though, just in case that will sway things!