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Elizabeth25
Joined 04-03-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, 09 November, 2005 - 04:47 pm: | |
I'm sure everyone has seen the front page of the Standard. Our MP in "late-night brawl". I just though the 'Jim Dowd Fan club' would like an update on his progess.
I don't know what the paper means by "Jim lunged at him". Did he go in for a punch and miss? That doesn't sound like a Sauf' London boy to me. |
Brian
Joined 18-04-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, 10 November, 2005 - 07:01 am: | |
I missed this exciting news . Could someone kindly give more details |
Elizabeth25
Joined 04-03-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, 10 November, 2005 - 08:12 am: | |
I labour MP was caught talking with a Tory MP. Jim Dowd took expection to this, and the other MP called him a "faggot". When this happened. Jim Dowd "went ballistic" and "lunged at" the MP. According to the Evening Standard. |
Michael
Joined 04-03-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, 10 November, 2005 - 10:10 am: | |
Anybody suspected of using violence in the Palace of Westminster against a member of Parliament should be held without charge for up to 28 days under the new terror legislation while a police investigation takes place. - Or perhaps not!
It is worth pointing out that Jim Dowd is quoted in The Mirror as saying "There were no blows exchanged" and has called on the Labour whips to investigate.
BBC cover the incident at:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4423152.stm
And a previous incident in 2001:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/1694282.stm |
Loneranger
Joined 29-10-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, 10 November, 2005 - 12:54 pm: | |
There was also an alleged incident when Jim Dowd was a whip, it was alleged he jabbed a female MP with his finger. |
Sherwood
Joined 30-03-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, 10 November, 2005 - 01:16 pm: | |
The Express says that 2 MPs had to be pulled apart and repeats the insult noted above. |
Roz
Joined 17-03-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, 10 November, 2005 - 01:46 pm: | |
Its a bit odd for Jim Dowd to file a complaint against someone else who says nothing happened.
Mr Dowd was the one threatening physical violence.
Who has more to lose......
Unfortunately you need a bit of a brain to work out that making a fuss about this matter might not be in your best interests if you are the one throwing the punches.
This is the person who refused to represent me in his capacity as MP because I challenged his views on Iraq. The crazy thing is he actually put his verbage into writing. |
Baggydave
Joined 19-05-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, 10 November, 2005 - 01:51 pm: | |
Wow, I'm just totally gobsmacked.
I just can't believe this.
I am amazed - someone in SE23 actually reads the Express. I hadn't realised that the paper was still being published, let alone was sold in SE23. Is this a sign not that we are being overrun with Toffs but turning into a suburb of Guildford or Tunbridge Wells. |
Sherwood
Joined 30-03-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, 10 November, 2005 - 02:05 pm: | |
I have to admit that the Express is not a patch on the newspaper it used to be, when it had a circulation of about 5 million a day. But I do need the wastepaper for other purposes, otherwise I probably would not buy it.
The owner has a private vendetta with the Queen so it drags up any rubbish it can about the Royal family. |
Sherwood
Joined 30-03-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, 10 November, 2005 - 02:46 pm: | |
One of my more erudite colleagues has just shown me the report in the Times. It is quite a detailed almost "blow by blow" account.
Personally, I have always found Jim Dowd a helpful, hard-working and polite MP. I think some people would provoke a saint. |
Sherwood
Joined 30-03-2005
| | Posted on Friday, 11 November, 2005 - 09:52 am: | |
I think I should add that no blows actually were exchanged. |
Brian
Joined 18-04-2005
| | Posted on Friday, 11 November, 2005 - 01:18 pm: | |
I have seen nothing in the press but I am amazed about this.
Why should The Honorable Member object to two other MPs talking to each other.????????????
What a graet lesson in getting on with others for the children.
If I have this wrong I apologise |
Sherwood
Joined 30-03-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, 12 November, 2005 - 06:32 pm: | |
Brian,
From the Times it appears that the other MP only scraped in at the last election. The conversation with 3 conservative MPs may indicate a plan to defect to the conservatives in the hope of picking up a few more votes at the next election. This is only a guess. |
Brian
Joined 18-04-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, 17 November, 2005 - 07:37 am: | |
Yes I read about this in The Times. Guy was a
Bob Danvers Walker ( or some double barrelled appendage ) Right Hon Member to one of the Medway Towns.
From what I know of this MP doubt if the Tories would want him under any circustances. |
Michael
Joined 04-03-2005
| | Posted on Friday, 02 December, 2005 - 01:06 pm: | |
Of course I was probably stupid to assume that a call for an investigation from the whips office would mean anything. Of course the whips will be on Dowd's side, not on the side of a rebel (although I am sure they would not bother to investigate). If Dowd really wanted a proper investigation he would have called for an investigation by a parliamentary committee or parliamentary officials.
Clearly he wants this violent incident to be swept under the carpet and forgotten - so it seems reasonable to keep discussing it! We are entitled to know how our MP behaves when in Parliament.
If Bob Marshall-Andrews does leave the Labour party (as Paul Marsden did after he was attacked by Dowd) we do not need to ask if he jumped or was pushed - we know who does the pushing - we voted for him. |
Brian
Joined 18-04-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, 04 December, 2005 - 04:45 pm: | |
I expect JD is interested in holding onto the MPs totally obscene pension |
Baggydave
Joined 19-05-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, 07 December, 2005 - 01:07 pm: | |
Is Bob Marshall-Andrews the guy on last weeks have I got news for you? Only half watching but believe they were having a giggle about the incident |
Loneranger
Joined 29-10-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, 07 December, 2005 - 02:10 pm: | |
Yes it was, and yes they were.
According to a history of the South Lewisham Labour Party Giant "Jimbo" Dowd might have been better suited to Lewisham West. The latest Lewisham Local History Society Journal carries has a sort of ... blow by blow account. |
Ophelia
Joined 18-03-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, 07 December, 2005 - 03:53 pm: | |
What do you mean by "South Lewisham Labour Party"? I don't think such a thing exists. Jim is MP for Lewisham West. Lewisham's other two constituencies are Lewisham Deptford and Lewisham East. |
Loneranger
Joined 29-10-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, 07 December, 2005 - 10:48 pm: | |
Hello, there was a South Lewisham Labour Party from 1948 - 1971, it was for many years the largest constituency party in the country. Probably because of the Downham & Bellingham estates.
The political wards were divided up differently, upto 1948 there was only East & West Lewisham. The East Lewisham ward seems to have had a bit of bother now and then.
Hope that makes things clearer. |
Roz
Joined 17-03-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, 14 December, 2005 - 10:20 pm: | |
I think it would be nice if Mr Dowd could apologise to his constituents for dragging the good name of the local constituency Labour Party, and of Forest Hill itself, into the Express, sorry, I mean the mire. |
Roz
Joined 17-03-2005
| | Posted on Monday, 19 December, 2005 - 11:41 pm: | |
Well?......... |
Brian
Joined 18-04-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, 20 December, 2005 - 08:01 am: | |
Yes Lewisham West for many years and if I am correct JD has served us from 92 when defeated John Maples.
I agree an apology would be in order. Problem with our system is for a seat like Lew West now Labour Stronghold . Only likelhood of unseating JD would be a putsch in the local labour party. |
Sherwood
Joined 30-03-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, 20 December, 2005 - 02:48 pm: | |
I think all this talk is a bit unreasonable. It seems like trial by newspaper. Because a newspaper has reported something does not make it true. |
Elizabeth25
Joined 04-03-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, 20 December, 2005 - 05:05 pm: | |
No, the MP Dowd (tried) to punch was on 'Have I Got News for You' a few weeks ago and said it happened. However, he denied calling Dowd the offensive term. So, not just in print. |
Sherwood
Joined 30-03-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, 20 December, 2005 - 10:39 pm: | |
So what started the incident?
Did he say?
An earlier post said they were having a giggle about the incident. If so it does not sound as serious as a punch-up.
Is this whole thing not a "storm in a teacup"? |
