|Posted on Sunday, 11 September, 2005 - 08:47 pm: |
I am a freelance journalist living in Forest Hill and am writing an article about the new Sainsburys - in light of the 11 week closure and how this will effect SE23 residents.
Has everyone received vouchers through the post for the Sydneham and Dulwich branches?
Points I would like to raise are:
1) Why can't these vouchers be used in other branches - for instance I work very near a Sainsburys and it makes more sense for me to get stuff from there rather than go out of my way on public transport to Dulwich or Sydneham?
2) Elderly or infirmed residents - I expect walking within 10 mins to their local branch is okay, but getting on a bus with heavy shopping is not always easy, particularly with the schools being back?
3) Is there any guarantees from Sainsburys that it will be open on the 24th November? And if not are they going to contact and then compensate residents further?
I will be putting these questions to Sainsburys, but am VERY interested in hearing from local residents on their opinions.
It won't be all negative, as I will be also be covering the positive aspects of new store opening and more details of what will actually be in the store.
If you do not subscribe to the forum I can be emailed on email@example.com.
|Posted on Monday, 12 September, 2005 - 08:08 am: |
1. I have not recd any vouchers and live in Devonshire Road , 5 mins walk away.
2.I must admit I thought they would put a courtesy bus for elderly and infirmed clients to either of the other stores. Personally I would not use it but I think many would.
3. Guarantees. Do you really expect them to give guarantees. Legally why should they.They are not obliged to sell food and other items in SE 23.
I cannot see they had any option but to close the store and it is in their interests to make sure the opening not delayed. But I am very surprised transport has not be laid on for the elderly.
Or perhaps you can suggest that for SE 23 only they give free or reduced deliveries. That would help a lot and many people might decide to stay with deliveries after the new store opens.
|Posted on Monday, 12 September, 2005 - 08:40 am: |
What Vouchers? I live in Taymount Rise and haven't received any vouchers.
I certainly think they should lay on shuttle buses to either Sydenham or Dulwich. They did so some years ago when they closed for a short time. I would think it would be in their interest to do so as an awful lot of their customers are 'walk in' as opposed to the people who come by car,and apart from the Tesco at the Esso garage there is no other food shop in the area.
|Posted on Monday, 12 September, 2005 - 06:40 pm: |
I think the reason I did not get any vouchers was possibly because although I mainly shop at London Road Store my nectar card is from The Lower Sydenham Store.
|Posted on Monday, 12 September, 2005 - 08:22 pm: |
I think from what you guys have said, the vouchers have only gone to Nectar Card holders where Forest Hill is their main store. This seems terribly unfair as both my partner and I received a set, but we are registered on the same Nectar account on the same address. Surely some sort of handout before the shop closed would have been better??? I agree totally that we should be giving free deliveries.
I've had some joy from Sainsburys - meant to be speaking to someone tomorrow - will keep you posted.
|Posted on Monday, 12 September, 2005 - 10:33 pm: |
There's a Spa supermarket in Dartmouth Road opposite the pool. The fruit and veg always look a bit shrivelled but it's ok for some things.
Anyone considered the big Sainsburys at New Cross Gate? Would have been more helpful if we'd been given vouchers to use there I think. The East Dulwich Sainsburys is out of my way whereas for many commuters New Cross is on the way home - and close to the train station.
|Posted on Monday, 12 September, 2005 - 11:14 pm: |
hmm no free vouchers 100 yards up the road..and my girlfriend is a nectarine
|Posted on Tuesday, 13 September, 2005 - 08:25 am: |
Our Nectar Card Home Store was Forest Hill and always has been but we haven't had any vouchers. Our home store has apparently been transferred to Sydenham, but I wasn't told this and only found out from the lady on the till at Sydenham when I asked about it. Seems like a bit of a shambles!!
|Posted on Tuesday, 13 September, 2005 - 10:37 am: |
Same here, our home store was Forest Hill and we have not received vouchers. How much were they for?
|Posted on Tuesday, 13 September, 2005 - 02:02 pm: |
Seems a fiasco.
Sainsbury need to answer some questions
|Posted on Tuesday, 13 September, 2005 - 11:24 pm: |
Personally I think that if they've decided to issue vouchers, this is a goodwill gesture and not something they are bound to do. They are a business, not a social service. They don't owe us anything. Why on earth should they give free deliveries or ' compensate residents further' if the works overrun.?
They are closed for 11 weeks- not so long ago it seemed they might close for good.
Those of us who've lived here a long time have been waiting for this new shop, and making enough noise about it,and now it is happening I am not going to start pilloring them for closing for a few weeks.
Jojo, I'm sorry, but you are trying to stir up feelings here for your own journalistic purposes, and we can do without this, frankly.
Lets get real.
|Posted on Wednesday, 14 September, 2005 - 08:18 am: |
I agree Roz they don't owe us anything really apart from a recognition of our loyalty for many years. I still think that a Courtesy bus to Sydenham for the duration of the closure would have been a huge benefit for both them and us, and considering the amount of money being spent wouldn't have been a huge addition to the overall cost.
|Posted on Wednesday, 14 September, 2005 - 10:12 am: |
I understand the vouchers are for £5 for every week the store is closed, so are dated, off a spend of £20. But so far I've only come across one person who has them. I've got a Nectar card and have shopped at FH Sainsbury's for years. There was a Sainbury's contact wasn't there via another thread that commented on progress/nob progress of the development? Maybe we need to check direct with Sainsbury's - wouldn't mind a few quid off over the coming weeks.
|Posted on Wednesday, 14 September, 2005 - 10:40 am: |
I have sent the question to off to Sainsbury's HQ customer service. Will let know if I hear anything.
|Posted on Wednesday, 14 September, 2005 - 11:42 am: |
Well said Roz! People whinged when they thought the work wasn't ahppening and now that it demonstrably is happening you have to go and find something new to whinge about.
Sure, a shuttle bus would be a nice touch but they are under absolutely no obligation to provide one. They are rewarding many year's loyalty by finally giving Forest Hill the supermarket it needs, and yes, they want to make a profit while they're at it - that's business. If the dry cleaners moved premises would you expect them to provide a taxi service??!!
|Posted on Wednesday, 14 September, 2005 - 12:33 pm: |
I agree they have no responsibility to run shuttle busses etc during the closure but surely good publicity.
Re vouchers . If GBP 5.00 a week then I am sure we all would like to know more.?
|Posted on Thursday, 15 September, 2005 - 09:46 am: |
Voucher answer from Sainsbury's below. Not sure how to read this, how can they tell who should get £55 and should not? I am not upset that Sainsbury's is closed for 11 weeks. They have to be. But this voucher business seams a strange.
Thank you for your e-mail about the vouchers.
I am very sorry that you were disappointed that you did not receive the promotional vouchers we sent out recently.
Not all Nectar cardholders will receive all mailings from us, especially as we try to target our mailings to be relevant to our customers. In addition, you may wish to check your mailing preferences with Nectar to ensure you have not opted out of receiving mailings from the Nectar sponsors including ourselves.
I am sorry you have had cause to doubt the reasons behind this mailing. I do hope I have gone some way to restoring your faith in Sainsbury’s. Thank you again for taking the time to write to us.
Sainsbury's Customer Services
|Posted on Thursday, 15 September, 2005 - 11:47 am: |
What on earth on they talking about. Talk about waffle. The last paragraph is priceless
|Posted on Thursday, 15 September, 2005 - 11:49 am: |
Are you able to give this good ladies ( Denise Dunn ) e mail details
|Posted on Thursday, 15 September, 2005 - 01:14 pm: |
I think it's a bit rich that if you opt not to receive unsolicited mail Sainsbury's can get out of giving you vouchers when you are contributing to their profits on a regular basis!
|Posted on Thursday, 15 September, 2005 - 01:28 pm: |
The only email I have is: firstname.lastname@example.org
Also, I get the Nectar card mailings. Guess I wasn't "loyal" enough to get the vouchers.
|Posted on Tuesday, 27 September, 2005 - 07:47 pm: |
I forgot this thread was here so started off another one with a rant and rave.
Not so happy with them any more!
What seems to have happened to us is that they have transferred our home store to Sydenham, where we have never been, without our knowledge or consent, hence immediatly disqualifying us for vouchers. I suspect they issued a few to some people as part of a PR exercise probably to please the Council or some official body.
I have copied this page and pasted it into an email to their customer services department but I don't hold out much hope, as lets face it, there a bit short on grey matter.
|Posted on Wednesday, 28 September, 2005 - 07:33 am: |
I decided to cash in my vouchers at Sydenham last week as we are moving shortly and had built up a considerable number of points. Went to the customer services desk and was told I could only cash them at the till after I had bought something. I said I didn't want to hold up the tills and inconvenience other customers but was told there is no option. So I did as I was told and the lady on the till said she didn't have the 60 vouchers that I wanted and had to call for assistance which took a while. The person who arrived then had to go to customer service till to get the vouchers (another 5 mins). I suppose it must have taken about 15 mins overall and if it was you behind me in the queue please accept my apologies. When I move I will be shopping at Tesco as it will be much nearer and I prefer them anyway, its just not convenient in Forest Hill.
|Posted on Tuesday, 04 October, 2005 - 07:21 pm: |
If you go to the nectar website and put in your post code you can get a choice of home stores. I did this recently, because i jump on the train to New Cross Gate to do my shopping there now.
|Posted on Wednesday, 05 October, 2005 - 09:31 pm: |
yes. but Sainsburys have been transferring people over to other stores and denying quite a lot of us access to that £55 as a result!
|Posted on Thursday, 06 October, 2005 - 11:20 am: |
|Posted on Thursday, 06 October, 2005 - 03:33 pm: |
I can't as the store doesn't officially exist whilst its shut.
|Posted on Thursday, 06 October, 2005 - 10:19 pm: |
I got vouchers - had no idea that they were due to the store closure (I don't tend to read the blurb in these kind of mailings). I noted they were for use in the Sydenham store, but I decided to use them in Bell Green where I regularly shop, and have been doing so without any hassle so far. The cashier never seems to notice the 'Sydenham' stipulation. If you've actually received them, I suggest you use them wherever's convenient.
I have no idea which store my nectar membership is allocated to. Definitely not Forest Hill though because I was a nectarine before I moved here. Plus I don't shop there v often, being equidistant between FH and Bell Green, which is bigger and better.
Reading this thread, I now realise I've been v lucky
|Posted on Friday, 07 October, 2005 - 07:25 am: |
The Bell Green store is the Sydenham store.
|Posted on Friday, 07 October, 2005 - 05:47 pm: |
ah, that explains that one then
|Posted on Saturday, 15 October, 2005 - 11:36 am: |
I understand that due to some further asbestos being found , the Forest Hill store is not likely to re open until after Christmas.
|Posted on Sunday, 16 October, 2005 - 12:58 pm: |
You are joking Roz.
Surely it was likely of a building of that era asbestos would probably be found. How can this put date back from 24th Nov until January.???
Anyway I guess nothing we can do. Will have to carry on supporting Marks and Spencer in Croydon and British Rail to get there
|Posted on Friday, 21 October, 2005 - 09:25 am: |
The redevelopment of the Sainsbury's store at Forest Hill is running to schedule and is due to open on Thursday 24th November as planned. A quantity of Asbestos that was used in the construction of the 1960's store was safely removed from the building and disposed of in the correct manner. The removal and disposal of the material was carried out by specialist consultants, working in line with the statutory regulations that govern the removal of Asbestos, monitored by the Council's Environmental Health Officers.
With just over a month to go the store is nearing completion and we are looking forward to welcoming customers to the extended and refurbished Forest Hill store. We hope that local residents will enjoy our enhanced facilities including a deli counter, an in-store bakery and a 'Food to Go' counter. We thank you for your patience during the works.
Please contact Gary Pleasants at email@example.com if you have any further queries.
|Posted on Friday, 21 October, 2005 - 11:34 am: |
So where did you get your info from?
|Posted on Saturday, 22 October, 2005 - 11:56 am: |
I got my info from a neighbour who shops at Sava centre. Apparently this is was not entirely up to date nor accurate information.
Still, I am glad it has prompted a response from Sainsburys, and am pleased to see that they have joined us on se23.com.
It would be appreciated if Sainburys via Mr Pleasants could address the voucher fiasco. We have had to recourse to writing a personal letter to Justin King, CEO of Sainsburys, as we have been frankly, diddled by this store. They offer some residents £55 vouchers as a PR exercise and then transfer the home store of rest of us, without any consulation, to Bell Green Savacentre thus making us ineligible for the vouchers. We actually go to Dulwich as an alternative- never been to Bell Green- they would have seen this from our Nectar history.
The incompetence and disrespect showed to us by their Customer Abuse, sorry Services Department has been unbelievable.
Mr Pleasants, please address this problem, otherwise we, along with some other angry residents, will be along on the opening day with some large placards and members of the press.
|Posted on Tuesday, 01 November, 2005 - 04:43 pm: |
I am writing for the South London Press, Mercury & The Post, and following up this story - I would be VERY interested in speaking to those of you who feel angered by this vouchers issue.
Particularly Roz and your plans to protest on the 24th!
If you are interested in speaking to me please call the newsroom on 02087106461.
|Posted on Thursday, 03 November, 2005 - 07:44 am: |
I do think this is a mountain out of a molehill.
So some people got vouchers and most ( like me ) did not . Good luck to those that did.
After a short loss of facility we should be getting in 3 weeks time a brand new store.
Of course I would like some free vouchers , who would't but I think we should just forget the negative here and praise Sainbury's for a brand new store.
I am rather amused by there ( Food to Go ) Dept. To go where and when. Assuming they mean take away why do they not say so.
|Posted on Thursday, 03 November, 2005 - 08:39 am: |
I agree with Brian.
It took quite a bit of effort to get this new store, both on the part of Sainsburys and the Council. There have been a many obstacles on the way, and Sainsburys are to be congratulated for sticking with Forest Hill. Yes, they are doing it to make money, but any company of their size always has several times more worthwhile projects to fund than funding, and Sainsburys have stuck with this one.
As a result of Sainsbury's development, we are already seeing the beginnings of an upturn for the centre of Forest Hill. Personally, I shall do all I can to encourage this, not detract from the efforts of those who are prepared to invest in my neighbourhood.
Further, if you scroll back through this thread, you will notice that this issue was first raised by Jojo herself. Well ...
|Posted on Thursday, 03 November, 2005 - 11:56 am: |
What a palava about these vouchers. I never got any either. Probably because I'm not interested in taking out some card where if you spend £1000 you get a free toilet roll or whatever, in exchange for detailed intelligence about your personal shopping and spending habits.
People seem to feel some sense of entitlement to these vouchers. Bizarre. They may have messed up the distribution but so what? They didn't have to give out any at all. They are a business, not a social service, and are under no obligation to keep their store open or anyhing else.
I for one am just looking forward to the reopening of a larger store and the rejuvenation of a derelict stretch of shop front, which can only be to everyone's benefit.
|Posted on Thursday, 03 November, 2005 - 12:11 pm: |
jo jo surely there must be some other interesting news you could write rather than the fact you didnt receive your free vouchers!! I'm just happy that we are getting a new smarter sainsbury and on the back of that a lot of other things are starting to happen in forest hill. Get over it!
|Posted on Thursday, 03 November, 2005 - 01:37 pm: |
I hope Jojo does write an article about how much local residents are looking forward to the opening of the new Sainsbury's, and how this, together with the East London Extension line appear to already be revitalizing Forest Hill town centre.
We now have a gastro-pub, a comedy venue, two healthfood shops, a wonderful museum, a range of independent shops, and proposed future investment in the pool. This is a big change to the Forest Hill we had when this forum began which looked a little run down.
Clearly Forest Hill is improving and the new Sainsburys is vital to this improvement. A few angry people who did not get vouchers is nothing compared to the happiness many people feel seeing the so many improvements to FH.
|Posted on Thursday, 03 November, 2005 - 02:10 pm: |
No Sainsburys in Lordship Lane but a lot more interesting shops! But before I go on an anti-Sainsburys tirade I think Forest Hill's days as a shopping paradise went away with the trams and without traffic calming the South Circ and/or pedestrianising Dartmouth Road there is not a lot of options for creating the right sort of environment. (Although quite enjoyed the decision to overturn OFT's decision not to refer the big supermarkets to the Competition Commission - put better in http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4401096.stm)
Gosh - had not realised how exciting a subject vouchers were!
Loyalty cards etc are more about profiling you as a consumer rather than giving you a share of the profits (ooohhh mind control). Why don't Boots advertise on telly any more? Coz it's cheaper to profile their customers via the loyalty card and then use direct mail.
Oh, and on balance I'd rather live in FH than East Dulwich before anyone tells me where to go.
|Posted on Thursday, 03 November, 2005 - 10:21 pm: |
Michael, I don't think the Horniman Museum is an outcome of recent town centre revitalisation.
And we know you own the gastropub. Bless you.
|Posted on Friday, 04 November, 2005 - 07:24 am: |
Yes hopefully we can put the lack of vouchers to bed.
Let us look on the positive.
On the opening day who is doing the honours. Maybe HM will visit us , or Duchess of Cornwall.
I agree range of decent cafe's have increased dramatically ( 4 decent places to get Latte's now ).
Not sure about a range of independent shops. That might be true but from the window none seem of interest.
|Posted on Friday, 04 November, 2005 - 08:12 am: |
Isn't anyone else's curiosity peeked? What is the story behind why Sainsbury's would, arbitrarly, hand out £55 to some customers and nothing to others? I would like to get the story behind that. Was it random computer generated? I'm fully behind a new store and improving Forest Hill Centre. However, £55 must not be a lot of money to some people.
|Posted on Friday, 04 November, 2005 - 08:30 am: |
I agree I would rather have it than not but surely best to let sleeping dogs lie.
I only hope the GBP 55.00 went to deserving pensioners.
|Posted on Friday, 04 November, 2005 - 08:49 am: |
Roz, I am not the Michael who owns a gastropub and I know the Horniman museum may not be directly associated with the town centre revitalisation, however, the enlargements and improvements to the building make FH an even better place to live and spend time - I call this revitalisation.
We might not be East Dulwich, but we are seeing a subtle change in FH that will hopefully lead to even greater things in the next ten years, when we have the tube and other local areas do not.
My point is that the up-turn has already started and shows no sign of stopping in the next decade.
|Posted on Friday, 04 November, 2005 - 10:03 am: |
Let's not have too much of an inferiority complex vis-a-vis East Dulwich. Yes, the commercial area there is healthier, but the streets are not as nice and the housing stock generally poorer, it costs a good 10-20% more and the transport isn't as good - and of course we have major improvements on the way.
So: East Dulwich - more shops, restaurants and bars
Forest Hill - better transport and housing
I know which drawback is easier to improve; perhaps in 5 years time we could even see something of a reversal in fortunes.
|Posted on Friday, 04 November, 2005 - 11:32 am: |
Yes, I think many more people are moving straight into Forest Hill now, rather than "..ummm, we couldn't afford East Dulwich". And, please correct me if I'm wrong (I can't be bothered to confirm this by looking it up) BUT it is Forest Hill that is getting the East London line extension NOT East Dulwich (or even West or North Dulwich) So ha! (Sorry, I think we have gone off topic)
|Posted on Friday, 04 November, 2005 - 06:43 pm: |
You would think that the reason some people got the vouchers and others didn't is due to the little box on the card application form which asks if you want future info from Sainsbury's and their friends. I for one would rather not get the tonnes of junk mail and be £55 lighter than get a mail box full of rubbish every day and a dozen calls offering credit services each night.
|Posted on Sunday, 06 November, 2005 - 03:45 pm: |
Who wants Forest Hill to turn into East Dulwich anyway? FH is seeing some genuine improvements which are to be welcomed - but it has it's own character. Apart from a few small independent shops to its credit, East Dulwich is over priced, overrated and quite pretentious.
|Posted on Monday, 07 November, 2005 - 01:04 pm: |
Does anyone recall the grand opening date.
Who is doing the honours
I must admit passing on Sunday I certainly got the impressions things are getting near completion
|Posted on Monday, 07 November, 2005 - 03:05 pm: |
I think it opens on the 24th of November.
|Posted on Tuesday, 08 November, 2005 - 01:16 pm: |
I seemed to have started a FH vs East Dulwich war. Good.
But as I tried to point out in my earlier posting whatever I think about the trendy bars and shops in Dulwich I'd much rather live in Forest Hill. What I was trying to say is because of our position on a bally horrid road we aint never going to get a nice shopping street. On a wet day have a look - Dartmouth Road will be empty, whilst Sainsburys and Mcburgerland will be probably even more busy than usual. But still want the area to improve.
Whilst East Dulwich has more interesting retail outlets the place is still rather tatty and congested. And Dulwich village also suffers from grid lock.
Now I've even started to bore myself on this so please don't respond to this.
|Posted on Tuesday, 08 November, 2005 - 09:15 pm: |
I've noticed some very posh people moving into Forest Hill. I'm not suggesting that's a good thing (tonight, for instance it was definitely bad, long story) but I've observed increasing numbers of ultra posh types on the train and expected them to stay on for stations like Dorking or Guildford but lo and behold they get off at The Hill.
|Posted on Wednesday, 09 November, 2005 - 08:49 am: |
Oh, 'The Hill'. Should we be expecting the Countryside Alliance and some illegal fox hunting on The Hill? Actually...someone ask the Councilers what it would take for a little urban fox hunting. We can get those boys who ride around on those little bikes... maybe not. ;-)
|Posted on Wednesday, 09 November, 2005 - 09:48 am: |
Those of you who are as old as me will remember "Class War", as sold at marches, rallies, demos etc. The main feature was to 'bash the rich' with (obviously set-up) pictures of working class heroes ambushing toffs. This was a time when Sarf London was full of anarchists, squats, musician collectives (Matt Billy?) and lots of right-on people (probably all arts students from Goldsmiths now exhibiting at the Tate). You've got yourself a new job SfM in reestablishing this sort of neighbourhood. No doubt TJ, last seen throwing himself in front of the Royal coach with a Free Tibet banner yesterday will assist
Or perhaps I should say "good, the sort of people that we want and admire in my posh side of the tracks".
|Posted on Wednesday, 09 November, 2005 - 10:40 am: |
A further thought, does that mean we can have a Waitrose please (and maybe an M&S food outlet), retail space available on Wood Vale, conveniently close to Dulwich.
Have to change the name on this thread.
|Posted on Wednesday, 09 November, 2005 - 11:18 am: |
I've always thought that setting up the "Honor Oak Hunt" would be a community service...... Not sure how you'd get those little bikes through the hedges but it could be fun to watch.
|Posted on Wednesday, 09 November, 2005 - 01:03 pm: |
I can get an ear-splitting B flat from my hunting horn. Guaranteed to get things off on the right hoof.
And maybe if I speak to Corn at the Blythe Hill, they could sponsor our riding jackets and jodhpurs.
|Posted on Wednesday, 09 November, 2005 - 05:39 pm: |
|Posted on Thursday, 10 November, 2005 - 12:33 am: |
BG I'm probably not as old as you :-) but yes I do remember Class War, and whatever did happen to TJ?
|Posted on Thursday, 10 November, 2005 - 12:36 am: |
Oh and back on the subject of the thread, I did get Sainos vouchers but gave them to someone as getting to Dog Kennel Hill for me is more trouble than it's worth.
I had a peek through the little Sainsburys viewing window tonight and it seems to be coming along nicely. Looking forward to the 24th!
|Posted on Thursday, 10 November, 2005 - 10:40 am: |
Unfortunately we'll all have to wait for another 4 weeks, as today Sainsburys have signs up outside saying the store is opening on Thursday 8th December....
|Posted on Thursday, 10 November, 2005 - 12:35 pm: |
Unsurprising. Was looking a bit tight with only two weeks to go and no ceilings / flooring / shelving in, let alone getting it stocked.
|Posted on Thursday, 10 November, 2005 - 01:25 pm: |
Oh well at least they are keeping us informed.
24th Nov would have great but can live 8th December.
|Posted on Thursday, 10 November, 2005 - 04:08 pm: |
FOREST HILL NECTAR CARD CUSTOMERS
There has been some confusion and misunderstanding relating to the mailing of discount vouchers to Sainsbury's Nectar card customers. I would like to clarify the position.
1. On 24th August Sainsbury's wrote to 4,500 Nectar card customers informing them that the Forest Hill store would be temporarily closing while its extension was completed. The letter was sent to all customers who had:
· registered with the Nectar scheme
· selected Forest Hill as their home store
· not opted out of receiving further marketing information.
2. To ensure that Nectar customers whose Home Store was Forest Hill could continue to redeem and collect their Nectar points during the closure, Sainsbury's temporarily transferred these customers home store to the Sydenham store. This was detailed in the August mailing, which also said that if another Sainsbury's store was a more convenient choice for Home store, the Nectar customers could contact the Nectar card Helpline and specify an alternative store of their choice.
3. Each customer received six £5 Sainsbury's vouchers with the letter which were redeemable when a customer spent £20 or more at Sydenham or Dulwich stores. The vouchers were sent as a gesture of goodwill to recognise that customers were having to travel further a field to do their shopping during the temporary closure.
If any customers still have concerns about this please contact Sainsbury's Customer Careline on 0800 636 626.
Louise Bird, Senior Brand Manager, Local Marketing
|Posted on Friday, 11 November, 2005 - 08:44 am: |
Just for Saindbury's information purposes. I did receive the mailing about moving my home store to Sydenham. However, I did not receive any vouchers with this or any other mailing.
According to your records were these sent out to all 4,500 mailings?
|Posted on Friday, 11 November, 2005 - 09:57 am: |
Sadly these days not every letter posted is delivered, especially if it contains something valuable like a cheque book, credit card or perhaps even a Sainsbury's voucher.
My Bank is now using TNT for letters.
My credit card company is delivering my credit card by motorcycle courier.
|Posted on Friday, 11 November, 2005 - 01:20 pm: |
Let us please forget this voucher fiasco ( i expect J Sainsbury rue the day they thought of the idea ).
Let us concentrate on the new store which hopefully is opening on the 8th December
|Posted on Friday, 11 November, 2005 - 04:31 pm: |
Sainsbury’s Forest Hill to open on 8th December
The new enhanced Sainsbury’s store in Forest Hill will now reopen on Thursday 8th December, two weeks later than originally planned.
The new store will offer customers a new layout and improved facilities including a deli counter, an in-store bakery providing fresh bread and a ‘Food to Go’ counter offering a range of quick and easy meal solutions - from delicious hot rotisserie chicken to freshly prepared pizzas and curries.
Sainsbury’s has received great support from the local community during the refurbishment process and want to ensure that customers will enjoy the optimum benefit of the new facilities on opening, which is why the decision has been taken to move the completion date. The unavoidable delay onsite has been exacerbated by recent bad weather.
Grant Thursting, store manager said “We are working hard to ensure that any delay in opening the store is kept to an absolute minimum. I would like to apologise to our customers for the delay in opening the store and thank them and local residents for their continued patience during the refurbishment.
I am sure that customers will be delighted with a bigger variety of Sainsbury’s ranges in a more modern shopping environment. My colleagues and I are looking forward to welcoming customers to the new store which Forest Hill richly deserves! ”
The nearest alternative Sainsbury’s stores are on Southend Lane, Sydenham or Dog Kennel Hill, Dulwich. Both are just a short bus ride away from Forest Hill. For details of the bus routes and store opening times customers can contact the Sainsbury’s information line on 020 7861 3128.
|Posted on Saturday, 12 November, 2005 - 06:35 pm: |
After seeing that Jamie Oliver illegally slaughtered a lamb in Italy for entertainment, I will use Tesco instead.
|Posted on Monday, 14 November, 2005 - 10:41 am: |
I didn't see Jamie doing that, but I read somewhere that the point he was trying to make was that meat does not come from plastic containers but from living beings. Speaking as a lifelong veggie and animal lover, I can kind of see where he's coming from, although I would not have been able to watch it myself. But if it makes people think about what they're eating and who's died in the process, then I think it's a worthwhile exercise. (I'm sure the lamb and his/her immediate family would see it differently mind you!) Given that he's a chef and a meat eater, by rights he should be able to face up to the reality of meat production - i.e. little fluffy lambs get killed - and he seems to have done exactly that. It shows a refreshing lack of hypocrasy if you ask me.
Generally I have the utmost respect for Jamie O and what he's done for the national diet. He is someone who's used his fame and influence to make positive changes in society. All power to him, and thank God he did, because someone certainly needed to!
|Posted on Monday, 14 November, 2005 - 11:16 am: |
My point is that we need to eat meat, but we do not need to be cruel. We have humane methods of slaughter, which should be followed. I also think the slaughter is better done by a professional than an amateur. My main concern is that young children may copy him and slaughter other animals.
I agree that he has performed miracles for school meals. Lewisham is changing from frozen meals to fresh produce.
|Posted on Monday, 14 November, 2005 - 12:29 pm: |
But what has that got to do with Sainsburys? Did they sponsor it or something? Thought not.
|Posted on Monday, 14 November, 2005 - 01:19 pm: |
Jamie Oliver advertises Sainsbury's. People may associate animal cruelty with Sainsbury's food if this continues.
|Posted on Monday, 14 November, 2005 - 01:33 pm: |
I have just looked on the Daily mail website. this is a quotation:
The animal had its legs tied together and was held to the ground with a cloth over its eyes. Oliver was shown saying: "It's not quite like Sainsbury, is it?"
It seems to have a lot to do with Sainsbury's.
|Posted on Monday, 14 November, 2005 - 01:35 pm: |
Did anyone else see the fly-on-the-wall (if you pardon the expression)documentary about an abattoir that was on a couple of months ago? I'd argue that the methods used there were far less humane (and conducted with much less regard for animal welfare) than the way that Oliver dispatched the lamb in question. Nearly put me off my bacon sandwich...
|Posted on Monday, 14 November, 2005 - 02:23 pm: |
Another quotation from the daily mail website;
It also horrified animal welfare groups which said it was "inhumane" because the lamb had not been stunned first - a legal requirement in the UK. This would have left it unconscious and unable to feel pain. They added that Oliver should be "thoroughly ashamed of himself".
Sorry, but I am under the impression that our methods of slaughter are humane.
|Posted on Monday, 14 November, 2005 - 05:28 pm: |
I think the stun gun often doesn't work and the reality is that many animals die whilst fully conscious - and hanging upside down in abject terror - http://www.viva.org.uk/photogallery/galleryindex.h tm
Then there's the chickens who are still alive when put in the boiling vat to get their feathers off...
To be honest, I don't know too much about the facts and figures because I find it too distressing to focus on all the cruelty, I just don't eat the stuff. (I haven't looked in detail at the link above for the same reason. I just can't look). This puts me at a bit of a disadvantage when arguing the case for animal rights!! In fact, if I'd have been watching the show under discussion I would have had to turn over before the slaughter part because I just physically can't watch things like that. But I've had conversations with people who've worked in abbatoirs, and it's not a pretty tale they tell.
(I think we're probably going a bit off track here and someone will probably post a message soon telling us to talk about Sainsburys or start another thread about animal cruetly)
|Posted on Monday, 14 November, 2005 - 06:17 pm: |
sorry, couple more things.
Sherwood, your description of the killing does not sound particularly inhumane to me in comparison to an abbattoir. Presumably the bag and the legs tied together are done to reduce fear and struggling to make the whole thing quicker. Humans have been murdering whoops I mean slaughtering animals without stun guns for hundreds of thousands of years. It's never going to be a happy or comfortable experience for the animal with or without the stun gun. An abbattoir, by contrast, which stinks of blood and death and is full of loud machinery and hundreds of terrorfied animals, who have been transported there by lorry, must be a much more terrorfying and unnatural place. What Jamie did in front of the camera happens all the time around the world every day. My next door neighbours in India did it on my door step (I didn't watch!!).
And we don't need to eat meat. I'm afraid I'm living proof of that. I'm not a militant veggie - some of my best friends are meat eaters!! If you can't stand the cruelty, get out of the kitchen. That's what I did - in 1980. I've yet to experience any dodgy side effects...
|Posted on Monday, 14 November, 2005 - 06:31 pm: |
Things seem to be going off-topic - could we stick to SE23-specific issues please. Thanks!
|Posted on Monday, 14 November, 2005 - 06:40 pm: |
Maybe Jamie will come and cut the ribbon at the new store opening!
|Posted on Monday, 14 November, 2005 - 10:25 pm: |
My original point was directly related to SE23. I said I would not be using the Sainsbury's in SE23 while Sainsbury's employed Jamie Oliver, who thinks it is OK to slaughter a lamb in an illegal and inhumane manner for entertainment.
Other methods of slaughter may also be inhumane, but they are not designed for entertainment.
I have had to carry home tins from Tesco in Catford (oops SE6), but this is a smaller sacrifice than Jamie Oliver's lamb made.
The ancient Romans used to slaughter animals in the Colisseum for entertainment. Quite barbaric.(Sorry this is not in SE23.)
|Posted on Tuesday, 15 November, 2005 - 09:20 am: |
watch it, Sherwood - you'll get the SE23 hunt lobby on your case if you're not careful!
|Posted on Tuesday, 15 November, 2005 - 09:41 am: |
Webmaster, Baggydave is so interested in watching the debate that he forgot to post anything. Spoilsport!
|Posted on Tuesday, 15 November, 2005 - 02:37 pm: |
Go for it Baggydave, might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb.
|Posted on Tuesday, 15 November, 2005 - 09:18 pm: |
I expect I will be made an outlaw and will need to take refuge in the forest on the hill (in SE23 of course)!
|Posted on Thursday, 17 November, 2005 - 07:35 am: |
At least the current thread is not about missing vouchers . Hopefully that has been put to bed.
|Posted on Friday, 18 November, 2005 - 05:44 pm: |
Well they took away the crane today. Let's hope they remembered to put the roof on first
|Posted on Sunday, 20 November, 2005 - 08:21 pm: |
I saw the builders working there today (Sunday)...they probably are doing overtime to get the store open by the 8th. I like the new glass fronting above the old store.
|Posted on Wednesday, 23 November, 2005 - 09:01 am: |
The store is looking good, and I like the curved bit at the side of the building. Most of the shelving seems to be in place now.
|Posted on Wednesday, 23 November, 2005 - 02:37 pm: |
I think the new Sainsburys is a good thing for Forest Hill businesses and residents, in general.
("The times they are a changing" and "In an ideal world" are two sayings that come to mind, personally, with regard to big chains and local small businesses - but in no particular order)
I support (spend my money) many local shops/businesses (I would like to support all but I only have "so much" money and personal need, if you understand my meaning) but also, through necessity and circumstances, do use Sainsburys (FH) and will continue to do so.
I look forward to the new revamped/bigger store re-opening but will still continue to support local FH businesses.
In my (over) 10 years as a Forest-Hiller (?!) I have seen the decline and rise of the general area and businesses and am still very happy to live here and have no plans to live anywhere else, in mind, for a long time to come.
Room for improvement, definitely but compared to how it was years ago when I lived (briefly) in a bedsit in Perry Vale, and in recent years, its come a long way. Very happy to live here and really excited to continue watching (and being part of, in some way) its re-generation. FH is getting there (and is more on the map)
The new, improved Sainsburys was to be open tomorrow (as we all know its now a few days longer that we have to wait) I am patient enough to wait ("good things come to those who wait") although there is no choice anyway lol but will, for sure, at some point, visit Sainsburys, FH on the Grand re-opening day, to have a good look around but also, of course, I will be spending some money in/visiting the local shops, as I always do, (some of them, daily) on that day too.
|Posted on Wednesday, 23 November, 2005 - 11:05 pm: |
I am fan of the FH Sainsbury's but do not like the idea of Supermarkets killing the high street buy stocking everything under the sun from TV's to Papers, Eggs to Car Engine Oil, etc.
The quality of the meat products and the amount of chemicals added in our food to make it last longer and look better worries me.
|Posted on Sunday, 27 November, 2005 - 11:17 pm: |
Just an update: I noticed today that the Sainsbury's sign has now been erected.
|Posted on Monday, 28 November, 2005 - 12:41 pm: |
Yes passed Sunday , started to look very good.
|Posted on Monday, 28 November, 2005 - 12:46 pm: |
Yes it is looking good. The London Road is beginning to look like the nicest bit of Forest Hill.
|Posted on Monday, 28 November, 2005 - 01:42 pm: |
I'm looking forward to Sainsburys opening a care home and a funeral parlour. If it then had a maternity ward, one would never have to leave. What are you lot like getting all excited about the look of a supermarket?! If you walk down the road, have a look at the grime on the windows of the houses, and the abandoned shops by the Blue Mountain Cafe. Not knocking Forest Hill but until they pedestrianise Dartmouth Road its never going to be a wonderful shopping experience.
|Posted on Monday, 28 November, 2005 - 04:52 pm: |
I'm sure you must get excited about some things BaggyD...that ancient tavern you've mentioned from time to time for instance? And living on the posh side of the hill.
Having a new Sainsburys brightens the place up, but it is a shame about Dartmouth Road. Not helped by the arrival of another betting shop btw.....see other thread.
|Posted on Tuesday, 06 December, 2005 - 06:59 pm: |
Sainsbury's in Forest Hill opens at 9am on Thursday 8/12/05 and Steve Bullock, the Mayor of Lewisham, will open the refurbished store. This improvement by Sainsbury's is a major step in the regeneration of Forest Hill, which was kick started and carried forward with persistence by your ward councillors Dave Whiting, Susan Wise and Peter Dawson with Lewisham Council and partners. The new housing will also make a great difference to the town centre.
|Posted on Tuesday, 06 December, 2005 - 07:16 pm: |
Did we actually elect a mayor, must have slept thought that one.
(Actually not having a dig at my local councillors, but the subject matter and the mayor)
|Posted on Wednesday, 07 December, 2005 - 05:01 pm: |
Thanks for not having a dig, and yes, we did elect our Mayor, it was in May 2002 in fact. And I'm sure you must be aware of the local elections being held in May 2006. However, do check out Sainsbury's new store and post your views here
|Posted on Thursday, 08 December, 2005 - 03:07 am: |
I have to admit that I am quite excited about Sainsburys re-opening. It was a hive of activity this morning and I am sure the new version will be a big improvement.
|Posted on Thursday, 08 December, 2005 - 09:56 am: |
Sainsbury's store successfully opened today and it looks great, well worth the wait.
|Posted on Thursday, 08 December, 2005 - 10:07 am: |
Who else was at the opening?
Got down there - Mayor was talking to the staff inside. Then they opened the automatic doors so he could cut the ribbon in front of the gathered public, only to be ram-raided by some over eager pensioners with shopping trolleys. Very funny.
Nice to see 6 boys in blue down there - they were clearly expecting some action.
That said the store looks great - big, clean, wide aisles, loads of choice, staff seem to have been on some major training course in customer service.
Nice glass of bucks fizz offered on the way in too!
Two gripes - the map they gave out to show you the layout of the place left out the back entrance, quite hilariously. Me and some other bemused shoppers had to ask whether ther still was one. Whoops!
Also only v.large trolleys on offer and not that many at the front of the store. I can see there being a fight there in future! Other than that a brillant addition to Forest Hill and something to be proud of.
Anyone know what the shop next door is going to be???
PS. Popped into Organic Republic before hand to get a coffee, despite it looking very closed it was open, though the girl seemed almost shocked to have a customer.
Possibly one of the worst coffees I ever had, milk tasted off and took almost 5 minutes to make. Sort it out. Plus I think they missed an excellent opportunity drum up some business and some interest with one of the biggest openings in Forest Hill for a while practically opposite them.
|Posted on Thursday, 08 December, 2005 - 11:42 am: |
Haven't been in the new Sainsbury's yet, but looking at the outside yesterday it seems that the they haven't had a taker for the retail space. If you look at the plans, you'll see that the facade should all be glass. Instead, it's boarded up. Perhaps someone could enlighten us about the proposal.
Anyway, the building looks fantastic. Well done to all those at Lewisham planning who pushed Sainsbury's to revise their plans and build a better store. Good work.
|Posted on Thursday, 08 December, 2005 - 01:42 pm: |
Without wishing to rouse Baggydave from his slumbers, I have just returned from a trip to the new JS, and my unscientific survey has uncovered the following:
*Wonderfully broad isles.
*Slightly iffy layout - but that's just me being resistant to change.
*Seemingly masses of ready meals/foods, it would appear at the expense of a reduced choice of ingredient foods. (I was unable to locate some fairly basic ingredients) I wonder how comfortably this lies with the J.Oliver mantra?
*Staff who have clearly undrgone something or are on something which makes them helpful and smiley.
Ovrerall I think it's definitely a good thing for the area - the old store did little to enhance the FH shopping experience.
As to whether it'll change my shopping habits - That remains to be seen, both Sava centre and Dog Kennel Hill are better stocked for my needs,
and as I'm relatively thin, the walk form one side of the broad isle to the other leaves me exhausted.
I'm sure JS did their homework on the layout and stock content issues - I'm just a little surprised at the result - surely an increase in shelf space and stock variety increases sales.
|Posted on Thursday, 08 December, 2005 - 11:05 pm: |
I looked in the new shop today. Staff were very friendly and helpful and giving away a glass of champagne.
I like the way the roof extends over the pavement to keep pedestrians dry. So no need to poke someone's eye out with an umbrella as you walk along.
I was told that there are fewer tills than before - only one row of tills now. Can anyone confirm or deny this?
|Posted on Saturday, 10 December, 2005 - 05:00 pm: |
I went in there today. It's true there's only one row of tills, but it's a pretty long row!! Considering it was the first Saturday afternoon of the new store, none of the tills had queues of more than two or three people.
The staff were very helpful in a keen new job kind of way. Everyone was lost, so they were getting lots of questions!
Predictably pathetic organic selection. I couldn't get half the things I went in for. I'll be sticking to Sydenham. At least they sell alluminium free deoderants!
|Posted on Saturday, 10 December, 2005 - 07:07 pm: |
Just been in for the first time.
Wow, what a change for the better! Can't believe it is the same place. However, I agree with Abi in that they seem to have prioritised more convenience foods over natural- perhaps more than in the old store? Only exception is that they now stock Cranks wholemeal bread.
Maybe this will change if public opinion dictates- they probably assessed peoples shopping habits carefully and may have concluded that this is what people want. We may have been spoiled by nearly three months of larger stores so are bound to have high expectations of this store. They may be willing to listen to customers.
I don't give away compliments very often, but this building, the layout and the parking area is a real success and shows what can happen when something is carefully designed.
I am a bit concerned as to what has happened to the staff as this lot seem really young, and new- what about the guy who pushed the trolleys around, some of the women on the till and supervisors who have been there for years, and the hard pressed manager - I hope they haven't been sidelined as part of the makeover. They deserve a medal for putting up with the store as it was.
|Posted on Sunday, 11 December, 2005 - 07:28 pm: |
I was told that some of the staff who moved to the Savacentre liked it so much they asked to stay there, but those who made this request have been moved back to Forest Hill and not put back into their old jobs. So they are probably in the shop but doing something they don't want to do!
|Posted on Tuesday, 13 December, 2005 - 12:01 am: |
The old store used to be a good place for meeting the opposite sex. It might have been my imagination but on Tuesday afternoons there seemed to be more younger married females shopping in the store who looked as if they were bored, looking for a bit of excitement to spice up their daily routines. Do you think the new store has that old fatal attraction, or are the aisles to wide to bump into to someone?
|Posted on Wednesday, 14 December, 2005 - 10:15 pm: |
Whatever, LR! Get a life.
|Posted on Thursday, 15 December, 2005 - 06:53 am: |
Loneranger i have been reading ur posts and have untill now found what you have to say interesting but this post even though more than likely done in fun is very childish
|Posted on Thursday, 15 December, 2005 - 11:49 am: |
Give him a break, god, what's happened to you people, it's Christmas - be merry!
LR - don't worry, some of us still have a sense of humour!
|Posted on Thursday, 15 December, 2005 - 12:56 pm: |
A young newlywed couple wanted to join a church. The
pastor told them,
“We have special requirements for new parishioners.
You must abstain from sex for one whole month."
The couple agreed and after two-and-a-half weeks
Returned to the Church.
When the Pastor ushers them into his office, the
wife is crying and the husband obviously very depressed.
“You are back so soon... Is there a problem?" the
“We are terribly ashamed to admit that we did not
manage to abstain from sex for the required month...." the young man
The pastor asked him what happened.
“Well, the first week was difficult.... However, we
managed to abstain through sheer will power. The second week was
terrible, but with the use of prayer, we managed to abstain. However, the
third week was unbearable.
We tried cold showers, prayer, reading from the
Bible.... anything to keep our minds off carnal thoughts."
“Then one afternoon, my wife was standing by the freezer.
When she bent over it, I was overcome
with lust and had my wicked way with her right then and there." admitted
the man, shamefacedly.
You understand this means you will not be welcome
in our church,” stated the pastor.
We know." said the young man, hanging his head...
"We're not welcome at Sainsbury's either."
|Posted on Thursday, 15 December, 2005 - 01:01 pm: |
I could not, unfortunately, make the opening on Thursday last week, but I did go to Sainsburys on Friday night and did a fairly big shop (through necessity) and I think its great, and most definitely the staff (old and new) are extremely helpful (I think, also, that they have been on a course during the building work/refurbishment) Some changes maybe needed, tweaking etc. but overall, I think it is good for FH/people in general. I still wandered round my most used local shops (mainly on the) DR too though, on Friday and Saturday and spent my "normal" amount.
I am going to put on so much weight for sure (not because of Christmas season either) because now I have so many more options of what foods to try, buy. I went again last night for "a couple of things" and came back with 4 bags lol BUT that was also because I got a new freezer (well, new secondhand one, a bargain) as my old faithful finally passed on and as I needed to switch it on and "freeze it up", I had to put some items in it for it to work properly, plus it is time to stock up.
Last night and Friday gone, myself and one of my sons could not help but nibble away at a gorgeous crusty seeded loaf as we walked around.
Not blaming JS though, my own fault. Too weak to resist. Also, I really MUST look at and stick to, the shopping list that I always take with me but sometimes neglect to read, sometimes even, not until I am half way round (with full basket or trolley in tow)
|Posted on Thursday, 15 December, 2005 - 01:12 pm: |
I do not know whether to laugh, cry or cover my eyes @ Sherwood's last post..... erm ...... I think I will just hide in the shadows, while writing Christmas cards and sing Christmas carols to myself.
Before I do though:- I am so happy that Sainsburys now has a public toilet/facilites. My youngest needed to use it twice last night. I think the new store/the goods, excite him (and me) too much now
Well done Sainsburys AND Forest Hill.... for just being THE great HILL upon and in which I live <wink>
|Posted on Thursday, 15 December, 2005 - 07:27 pm: |
Sherwood, how did you find out about my episode in Sainsbury's. I am so ashamed. Anyway a man walks in to a bar, seething with rage.
He asks the barman for a large whisky & knocks it back, then demands a refill, and necks that one too.
The barman asks, "Without meaning to interfere, are you having a bad day?"
"Bad day! Too right, I've just found out my wife is cheating on me with a younger man! I could kill her I'm so mad!"
"Calm Down!" whispers the barman, "There's no need for YOU to kill her, have a chat with Arty over there, he'll knock any one for a pound!"
The man walks over to Arty, tell him the story and pays his pound.
Arty asks "How will I recognise her?"
"Well," says the man, "every Thursday she goes to Sainsbury's and does the weekly shop, she always wears her Burberry Scarf & purple hat."
Thursday comes along, Arty is outside Sainsbury's as planned, out walks a woman wearing the Burberry scarf & a purple hat.
Without hesitation Arty runs up to her, and stranglers her until she is dead.
Then, just as he was about to run away, out comes a second woman wearing the same Burberry scarf & purple hat.
Arty thinks to himself "Well he did pay me a pound to off his wife, I'd best make sure I do the job proper", and with that he runs over to the second woman and strangles her too.
The next minute the security men come running in, having seen the kafuffle on the CCTV, they restrain Arty until the police arrive to take him away.
The next day the event was all over the newspapers...
.... "Arty-chokes two for a pound at Sainsbury's"
|Posted on Saturday, 17 December, 2005 - 08:02 am: |
I had a dream about the old Sainsbury's last night and kind of missed its scruffy charm. Is that wierd? (some people are never happy...:-))
|Posted on Saturday, 17 December, 2005 - 06:50 pm: |
Who was in your dream, Elizabeth?
I know what you mean- the brand new shiny store seems to have brought in brand new shiny customers - where are all the local personalities and characters who used to shop there....
|Posted on Sunday, 18 December, 2005 - 12:18 pm: |
The guy who used to stock the shelves in the alchohol and cereal aisle was in it. (a usefull positioning when you are looking for gin to pour on your cornflakes--just kidding). Supposedly people in your dreams are meant to represent parts of your subconscience. Maybe my alcholholic alter ego is dreaming about adding Bailey's to my porridge. (There's a theme here...)
Yesterday the store was full of little old couples with shopping trollies asking where the flour is.
I'm sure the new layout will become second nature soon enough. (I have to get out more.)
|Posted on Monday, 19 December, 2005 - 01:27 am: |
Does anybody remember the couple in their 20's who shopped at Sainsbury's always dressed in late 1950's early 1960's US teenage fashions? He had a DA, she had a ponytail and wore bobby soxs.
|Posted on Wednesday, 21 December, 2005 - 02:58 pm: |
The new Sainsbury's has made page 18 of the South London Press. Nice little story about the staff who opened the new store plus photo.
It also answers some of the questions raised here...includes 11 apartments above, 4 'affordable homes behind. The new shop next door is due to be completed in the new year.
|Posted on Thursday, 22 December, 2005 - 07:43 am: |
On the whole a very positive addition to SE 23
|Posted on Friday, 30 December, 2005 - 11:38 am: |
LR - I remember the 50s couple. They used to walk down from Honor Oak Road to the Sainsbury. From memory, they always had a bemused smile a la Mona Lisa. Where are they now...?
|Posted on Tuesday, 03 January, 2006 - 01:15 pm: |
Cannot remember such excentrics in SE 23.