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Matt
Joined 01-07-2005
Posted on Sunday, 14 August, 2005 - 04:00 pm:   

I know that this has been mentioned before but it seams more and more people are not adhearing to the no entry signs to Manor Mount from Honor Oak Road. I wish the police could let the locals in the area earn some extra cash catching people doing the dirty on that bit of road... i would be on my way to being a millionare.

Especially in the morning and evening arround 5pm.

Would anyone on Manor Mount mind if that spot of road was cut off from Honor Oak Road. Might stop those people who come charging down the road the wrong way.
Brian
Joined 18-04-2005
Posted on Monday, 15 August, 2005 - 07:30 am:   

Matt
I agree this is an accident waiting to happen , though not sure closing the road in total is the answer.
As I have said in the past a simple camera on a lamp post recording and fining those who travel the wrong way is all that is required. Surely this is not rocket science
Anna
Joined 15-08-2005
Posted on Monday, 15 August, 2005 - 09:41 am:   

If the road from HOR was closed it would mean that the people living in the top half of Manor Mount couldn't get out unless the road was made 2 way.
I agree with Brian, a camera should do the trick.
Roz
Joined 17-03-2005
Posted on Monday, 15 August, 2005 - 01:47 pm:   

Folks, this is not an isolated problem. There are other campaigns about various problems in various roads in the locality, ie going the wrong way, speeding, etc, and the council has said it wants an integrated area based approach to problem solving. The problem is that nothing has progressed any further. We need to join forces if we are to get anything done about the problems in the area. Note the wall taken down by a car in Honor Oak Road, near junction with Ewelme Road. Pedestrians and occupants could have been killed.
Domc
Joined 17-03-2005
Posted on Wednesday, 07 September, 2005 - 11:48 am:   

Well its obviously not of concern for the police as whilst walking past yesterday I saw a car brake suddenly and turn down in Manor Mount - nothing new you may think, but it was being followed on Honor Oak Rd by TWO police cars. They didn't even react and just drove on.
Brian
Joined 18-04-2005
Posted on Wednesday, 07 September, 2005 - 12:59 pm:   

Words fail me.
Were the Police lights on ( they were going to an emergency ) or just to a cup of tea.
Suggest you give the details to the local Inspector
Roz
Joined 17-03-2005
Posted on Thursday, 08 September, 2005 - 09:09 am:   

This is so common and just a complete joke - I have also seen this happen, also police cars turning into Davids Road from Stansted. Are they above the law or what?
Baggydave
Joined 19-05-2004
Posted on Friday, 28 October, 2005 - 12:21 pm:   

Good to see that it is not only boy racers who cut down Manor Mount the wrong way. ASL delivery vans, a local company, must be quite a sharp turn for a large box van. Not that I will do any more than whinge on this web-site

Good to see that we can use the word 'Mount' this site. Had pretty innocuous words caught by the profanity checker.
Baggydave
Joined 19-05-2004
Posted on Monday, 30 January, 2006 - 01:48 pm:   

Goods things come to those who wait and like London buses in threes.

Interestingly in a waiting room in Brixton saw a Southwark Council newspaper. Residents were concerned over overweight goods vehicles and separately vehicles going down a one-way route in the wrong direction. Southwark Council said they were listening to residents and have now installed camaras, with a 100 fine (discounted as per usual) for breaches. Can we have more of the same please councillors?

And one for Councillor Peake - pleased to see your interest in road safety on Honor Oak Road, any interest in traffic calming measures, particularly by the two primary schools (by traffic calming I mean crushing the offending vehicles and putting the drivers in the stocks).

Unfortunately can't find the web link to Southwark Council, black mark to them.
Julianm
Joined 05-08-2004
Posted on Tuesday, 31 January, 2006 - 07:52 am:   

The Southwark council web site is at www.Southwark.gov.uk
Roz
Joined 17-03-2005
Posted on Tuesday, 31 January, 2006 - 08:38 pm:   

On two occasions in as many weeks, I was almost run over by two cars turning right into Davids Road off the south circular and speeding up the one street as a short cut to Sainsburys. I am actually not sure that the no entry sign is clearly indicated- is it, or are people just either thick or ignorant. The thing is, its only a matter of time until there is a serious accident, not least with an ambulance speeding down the road in the opposite direction from the ambulance station. There are so many issues in this area that need resolving, and Councillors need to start delivering to their electorate. Southwark on the other hand appear to be more proactive. Readers of this website may be interested to know that a local community activist is considering standing for the forthcoming Council elections as an independent, focussing on traffic calming issues. The strategy is to put these issues firmly on the local election agenda, but who knows, sometimes independents win seats! Should be an interesting time.
Brian
Joined 18-04-2005
Posted on Wednesday, 01 February, 2006 - 12:53 pm:   

Roz
I have seen this as well.
The police do not seem that interested
Obviously not a crime with PC implications
Roz
Joined 17-03-2005
Posted on Sunday, 12 February, 2006 - 09:53 am:   

Last week witnessed the band playing at the Hob unloading from their van- parked facing the wrong way. No attempt made to conceal the fact they had just driven the wrong way up a one way street. I am still not sure the one way signs are easily seen from the sth circ. What does everyone think?
Brian
Joined 18-04-2005
Posted on Monday, 13 February, 2006 - 01:15 pm:   

Possibly but ignorance of the law is no defence
Sherwood
Joined 30-03-2005
Posted on Monday, 13 February, 2006 - 01:24 pm:   

People seem to ignore all restrictions these days. I often see people drive the wrong side of keep left bollards.
The only way to stop it is to use physical barriers that only allow vehicles to travel in the correct direction..
Loneranger
Joined 29-10-2005
Posted on Monday, 13 February, 2006 - 03:22 pm:   

New laws will allow Councils rather than the police to fine motorists for various traffic violations. If it's good law or another revenue stream we'll have to wait and see.
Baggydave
Joined 19-05-2004
Posted on Thursday, 16 February, 2006 - 01:44 pm:   

Silly me, I do apologise. Southwark are concentrating on motorists guilty of minor misdemeanors, avoiding the wider picture of sefish motorists blocking bus stops at the Elephant or ignoring double yellow lines on Rye Lane (also leading to bus and traffic congestion).

Now all I thought Lambeth did with regards to road safety was let their roads fall into total disrepair. But it is Lambeth who are now being ative on motorists ignoring road signs, not as I reported Southwark. The schemes are being publicised through coucil literature and a flier giving quite a few details of the problems (particularly Railton Road and North Street)

See: www.lambeth.gov.uk/Services/TransportStreets/Parki ng/CCTV.htm
Cllrdavidwhiting
Joined 07-12-2003
Posted on Thursday, 23 February, 2006 - 11:42 pm:   

I've been in correspondence with the local police about Manor Mount. They inform me that they will be present at Manor Mount weekly or so for the immediate future to intercept persons driving the wrong way down the road. (I regret that I am unable to pass on the exact details of the schedule of visits.)

On their first day, they booked 10 motorists. The consequences for these people is a penalty of 65.00, and 3 penalty points, plus, of course, the tiresome need to inform their insurance companies with a probable increase in premia.

I understand that many of those caught live in the Forest Hill area. If you are a local resident who thinks it's OK to drive the wrong way down a one way street, please note.
Brian
Joined 18-04-2005
Posted on Friday, 24 February, 2006 - 07:33 am:   

Dear Councillor
That is good news
Roz
Joined 17-03-2005
Posted on Friday, 24 February, 2006 - 07:33 am:   

I saw this happen last week - good stuff. Hopefully people will get the message. How about putting up a sign saying that police regularly patrol this area? Are there any proposals for dealing with the other end of this road, ie where cars drive the wrong way up Davids Road?
Roz
Joined 17-03-2005
Posted on Friday, 24 February, 2006 - 07:51 am:   

Councillor Whiting, I am glad you are on the case re Manor Mount, and was pleased at your response re the water problems, but I would still appreciate an update on the traffic calming monies which you have secured for the Honor Oak Road area, and to which I referred in a previous thread. I have also written to you about this as you know several weeks ago and have not received a response. I am sorry, but I am entitled to a response. Please advise your constituents who ask as to what is happening, and then there will no need for any more public questioning on this website.
Pvp
Joined 17-03-2005
Posted on Friday, 24 February, 2006 - 11:08 am:   

Is premia a word? Maybe only amongst Guardian readers.... What do the fora readers think?
Cllrdavidwhiting
Joined 07-12-2003
Posted on Friday, 24 February, 2006 - 11:27 am:   

Premia is the plural of premium.
Danw
Joined 02-08-2005
Posted on Friday, 24 February, 2006 - 02:10 pm:   

I would like to thank Councillor Whiting too; I saw the police booking people and turning them round at the end of the process. The drivers did look quite surprised to see police in hi-vis jackets walk out into the road as they whizzed the wrong way down the road in the dark. As someone who lives on the road I did have a word with them and they were pleased to get some positive feedback for the work they were doing.

I'm not a habitual whinger, but I very nearly had a head-on with someone driving the wrong way one rainy evening as I turned onto Manor Mount from Waldenshaw road (there was a van parked close to the junction so couldn't see what might have been flying down the road), and my girlfriend has nearly been run over a couple of times. So I do see it as a serious issue.

Thanks!
Wireman
Joined 03-08-2005
Posted on Friday, 24 February, 2006 - 02:38 pm:   

"Premia is the plural of premium."

No it isn't.
Cllrdavidwhiting
Joined 07-12-2003
Posted on Friday, 24 February, 2006 - 04:51 pm:   

The situation regarding road safety work along Honor Oak Road and Honor Oak Park is as follows.

Every year London Boroughs produce a 'Borough Spending Plan' which is submitted to Transport for London (part of the Mayor for London's operation). TfL then offers funding for what it considers the most appropriate projects. Lewisham doesn't do too badly out of this - we have 2.8m this year. One of the schemes included in this is road safety work along Honor Oak Road. Officers are now working up proposals (a fairly complex process). These should be agreed in outline with TfL in April and then taken to consultation over Spring and Summer. The works should be completed in the 2006/07 financial year.

'Premia' is rarer than 'premiums' but my preferred usage.
Baggydave
Joined 19-05-2004
Posted on Friday, 24 February, 2006 - 05:09 pm:   

Can we have some stuff in the local press please Councillor - sure that the News Shopper would be excited. Be good to get the message across to a wide audience.
Cllrdavidwhiting
Joined 07-12-2003
Posted on Friday, 24 February, 2006 - 06:10 pm:   

I'll talk to my contacts in the Met.
Roz
Joined 17-03-2005
Posted on Sunday, 26 February, 2006 - 10:51 am:   

Cllr Whiting, thank you for providing this information, however this is not what you led myself and my neighbour to believe was happening when you ran in to us just before Christmas. You gave the distinct impression that what was proposed was relevant to traffic calming in our road. Yet again it seems that we have been fed another line just to shut us up. Not appreciated.
Baggydave
Joined 19-05-2004
Posted on Tuesday, 09 May, 2006 - 12:53 pm:   

I was almost run over by a car coming down at speed the wrong way on Saturday eveing. Methinks that he may have known what he was doing. I didn't have time to clock his number plate let alone think of something to stop him. They were in such a rush that following my less than polite greetings they did not have time to stop and knife me.

So in the absence of anything to stop them ( cctv would be nice) any suggestions for direct action. My thought of chucking my bike in front of the speeding car would probably be difficult to defend when I am on a charge of manslaughter.

And are you picking this up with our new councillors Roz? I have raised my concerns with one of them directly.
Les
Joined 28-01-2004
Posted on Tuesday, 09 May, 2006 - 12:55 pm:   

It was me. I've had enough about the Wood Vale Tavern.
Baggydave
Joined 19-05-2004
Posted on Tuesday, 09 May, 2006 - 02:24 pm:   

And you missed your opportunity to knife me? That would have put an end to my rantings and you would have probably been knighted for it.

Any more sensible postings?
Domc
Joined 17-03-2005
Posted on Tuesday, 09 May, 2006 - 05:16 pm:   

Walk on the pavement ;-)
Bosco
Joined 16-07-2004
Posted on Tuesday, 09 May, 2006 - 05:26 pm:   

But BD is a cyclist and if he started cycling on the pavemetn that would just start a whole new thread with SE23 residents ranting about cyclists on pavements!
Les
Joined 28-01-2004
Posted on Tuesday, 09 May, 2006 - 06:28 pm:   

Despite my homocidal tendancies, I agree with BD. I walk up Manor Mount most evenings, and the motorists bombing down it need sorting.

Here's a radical suggestion, why not shut it at the top, with emergency access?

When I lived in David's Road, it was excellent when DR was shut at its junction with the A205. Stopped rat running overnight - literally.


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