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Simon
Joined 18-07-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, 30 July, 2005 - 07:06 pm: | |
Quite a few cars on the top section of Montem Road had their tyres slashed last night. The police didn't want to know. "It'll be the kids at the bottom of the road, what do you want us to do about it?" being the response.
I'm certainly no expert in crime prevention/detection and the like but surely there has to be a better response that police and/or local authority could provide. So SE23ers (and local councillors in particular), suggestions please. |
Roz
Joined 17-03-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, 31 July, 2005 - 11:02 am: | |
If they know who it may have been , then they should to question them. Its criminal damage after all. Get in touch with the Chief Inspector if no luck at plod level. |
Elizabeth25
Joined 04-03-2005
| | Posted on Monday, 01 August, 2005 - 12:37 am: | |
There has been a serious assault on Shipman rd in the past month as well. Has anyone heard about this? Shipman Rd is a quiet, safe street, with families and children.
As a matter of argument, I called I few weeks ago ago when a gang of youths on bikes were holding a meeting on Shipman rd about a month ago at 2:00 am. They weren't doing anything wrong, except having a meeting on a residental street at 2 am. I asked the police to make a drive by, just to break up the early morning party, but the police NEVER came. I use to live in New York. I read somewhere that in New York (with 9 milliom people) there were 1.5 million police and in London, with the same number of people, there are 600,000 police. I don't mean to be Nazi, but I pay more taxes in London than I did in New York. I consider the two to be equivilent cities. Why aren't there more police? Using the broken window theory as a template, couldn't some crimes be stopped by a simple drive by? |
Brian
Joined 18-04-2005
| | Posted on Monday, 01 August, 2005 - 03:56 pm: | |
Hi Elizabeth
I agree with you 100%.
Accept I think you have grossly inflated figures for police in both cities |
Simon
Joined 18-07-2005
| | Posted on Monday, 01 August, 2005 - 07:36 pm: | |
Not sure if this is a London-wide problem. I lived in one of the less "well regarded" bits of Wandsworth for quite a while before moving here with no problems. There did seem to be more PCs (and laterly the much derided Community Support Officers) on the streets around there. |
Brian
Joined 18-04-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, 02 August, 2005 - 08:44 am: | |
I think that problems like slashing tyres can happen from time to time in any road , however
posh or otherwise
It is a sympton of modern society whereby people who commit such acts are not severely punished but symphasised with.
Regret nothing one can do. |
Baggydave
Joined 19-05-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, 02 August, 2005 - 12:46 pm: | |
Got an issue with the police? Then complain - www.pca.gov.uk
Zero tolerance in New York? Guliano simply moved the problem, nicer safer suburban areas, even worse Ghetos. Hardly a solution! |
Elizabeth25
Joined 04-03-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, 03 August, 2005 - 08:49 am: | |
Having the police be a presence in the comminity is hardly zero tolerance. Making a drive by, bringing minors home after midnight, etc is not exactly hard line policing.
How long did you live in New York? Which ghettos did you experience?
When I first lived in Brooklyn there were buring cars on every other road. There aren't anymore. |
Sherwood
Joined 30-03-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, 03 August, 2005 - 10:30 pm: | |
Are these the children who are subject to an ASBO order? Presumably it has not been enforced? |
Baggydave
Joined 19-05-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, 04 August, 2005 - 09:37 am: | |
Only what I read in my trendy lefty newspapers and my limited experience of US cities which seem to be far more polarised - good areas/bad areas, white areas/non-white areas. Can't compete with your knowledge Liz, but interested to see some of the stories coming out of the big apple at present (hardly a representative sample) eg http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4718793. stm
Don't think we'd see the same repeat in London |
Elizabeth25
Joined 04-03-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, 04 August, 2005 - 05:30 pm: | |
I still don't see how homeland security directives fueled by post-9/11 paranoia compares with wishing the police were more efficient in community-based policing.
Keeping a lookout for kids who slash tires, or herding children home at 2:00 am is not the same as sending adults to jail because they are wearing turbans.
You can easly debate the hardline tactics of William Bratton, who was head of the NYPD, after heading up the Boston police force. But one of the first things he did in NY was reduce police paper work, got uniformed officers out of partol cars and helicopers and onto the streets and into the subways. This reduced petty street crime (which, lets face it, is what most of us will experience) in white, black, hispanic, asian etc. areas.
I know the Guardian likes to protray the US as evil to all things, green and liberal politically correct.
However, in terms of polorisation, do you really think large portions of the Asian population is significantly intergrated are London?
Mmmm.... |
Brian
Joined 18-04-2005
| | Posted on Friday, 05 August, 2005 - 07:12 am: | |
Elizabeth
I am not sure how we are discussing peoples perception of the USA on a se23 website , but I 100% agree with you that the Guardian and Independent use every opportunity to attack the country we relied on 3 times in the last century and would the only ones to assist us now in an emergency |
Elizabeth25
Joined 04-03-2005
| | Posted on Friday, 05 August, 2005 - 10:12 am: | |
somehow a request for the police to be more of a presence in the community and to be more dilligent with regular street crime has generated a response hoping the police don't round up young asians and court them off to jail 'like in the US'.
The only reason I brought up NY (talking about street crime) was because they are comparable to London in terms of size, ethnic population, wealth etc...
But thanks for the defense of the US! There is a lot to critise about the US, but evil empire it really isn't |
Baggydave
Joined 19-05-2004
| | Posted on Friday, 05 August, 2005 - 12:15 pm: | |
Think it's good to have this wider debate and see no problem with this forum doing that (it's been too quiet since the expulsions and teh migration to the other FH site that happened a few months ago).
There have also been plenty of discussion threads already on the hang um and flog um brigade vs the more liberal members of the community (generally SE23 is a safe place to live). OK the US is a soft target for poking fun but I am sure that our boys in blue would be far more culturally aware.
Before I get criticised as a ble.... heart liberal I'va had my house broken into, stuff nicked off and from my car and some lovely long distance calls made on my mobile when it was stolen (how much do you make from this sort of thing T-mobile?)
As regards to the 'Evil Empire', shouldn't the US be seen as a source of good. Methinks the world is a much more unsafe place since Bush got in. But perhaps lets leave our differences there. |
Elizabeth25
Joined 04-03-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, 06 August, 2005 - 12:40 am: | |
"...but I am sure that our boys in blue would be far more culturally aware." Do you mean like how they dealt with the Stephen Lawrence case? Or how about Northern Ireland. Yes, the British police are all ble... heart liberals. My mistake. |
Brian
Joined 18-04-2005
| | Posted on Monday, 08 August, 2005 - 10:28 am: | |
Come on Guys this is meant to be a community web site about local issues. I tend to agree with Elizabeth but surely this is not the place for these matters |
Baggydave
Joined 19-05-2004
| | Posted on Monday, 08 August, 2005 - 10:54 am: | |
Comparisons between London policing and New York policing are highly relevant. And I was just warming up - I toss out a poorly informed comment or selective piece of news (showing my predjudice), Liz counteracts this with a perceptive response. About time that we had some decent debate on this site; but as others don't seem to agree I'll quietly withdraw with my tail between my legs.
Perhaps you will be more interested in my dead pond life Brian, or numerous other postings about 'local' issues that appear to, like my frogspawn, died a death |
Brian
Joined 18-04-2005
| | Posted on Monday, 08 August, 2005 - 11:47 am: | |
Hi Baggydave
Your pond sounds very interesting.
Too be honest I have no problem raising the web site to an international relations site I just thought our web master ( or mistress ) may object .
What is your view on the Uzbek situation.?
Floods in Plovdiv ?
Caricom bananas againts Latin American
and so on |
Webmaster
Joined 01-01-2003
| | Posted on Monday, 08 August, 2005 - 01:03 pm: | |
Yes, things are getting a little off-topic - let's revert to matters specific to SE23 please. Thanks. |
Elizabeth25
Joined 04-03-2005
| | Posted on Monday, 08 August, 2005 - 02:05 pm: | |
Talking about how police can help prevent kids slashing tires and breaking up 2:00 am bicycle festivals is a local issue. However, police issues do effect the world at large, so sometimes it is nessasary to bring in outside examples to make local points.
It's not like we were talking about police in SE23 and then started talking about EU tax harmonisation or the famine in Niger.
Anyway, places like Bell Green are a SE26 issue, but it is disscussed on SE23.com.
Sorry to pick a fight, webmaster. I will stop talking about the police. I have a bone to pick with Boots on Dartmonth rd anyway. |
Ophelia
Joined 18-03-2005
| | Posted on Monday, 08 August, 2005 - 02:41 pm: | |
Would that be the problem with Boots never having a pharmacist available when you take your prescription in or refusing to sell you Nurofen without the pharmacist being there when you can pick them off the shelves in Sainsbury's? I'd much rather take my custom to another chemist's. |
Brian
Joined 18-04-2005
| | Posted on Monday, 08 August, 2005 - 03:05 pm: | |
They even refused to sell me a film when a pharacist was not there.
Said they could not sell anything |
Baggydave
Joined 19-05-2004
| | Posted on Monday, 08 August, 2005 - 06:09 pm: | |
You think you have a problem with Boots? Well I went to my local pub, the Moor Park Tavern and they would not serve me. Then I went to my local train station, only to find it had closed down fifty years ago. Then I went to my local post office in Wood Vale to find that had similarly stopped trading. It's worse than living in the countryside. Either the Web master will find this funny or I'll be kicked off this si......... |
Brian
Joined 18-04-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, 09 August, 2005 - 02:17 pm: | |
Hi BD
I visited the Moor Park Tavern once only about 20 years ago. Even then like stepping back in time
Do not remember station but well aware of its existence
What about trolley buses |
Charlieellepauline
Joined 25-07-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, 09 August, 2005 - 05:37 pm: | |
Boots is not a tiny highstreet chemist as we all know, and should respond to any complaints. Prehaps the bosses up in nottingham have forgotton poor old foresthill and have been focusing on sacking more staff up at their headoffice!
How many empty shops down the highstreet? would a (I dare say it) a local chemist be viable? |
Johnnyb7
Joined 29-03-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, 09 August, 2005 - 06:31 pm: | |
A man went into a hardware shop and asked the sales assistant for a packet of condoms.
"Try Boots", the helpful assitant told the man.
"My dear fellow, I want to make love to my wife, not kick her to death", replied the punter.
I get my coat |
Johnnyb7
Joined 29-03-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, 09 August, 2005 - 06:34 pm: | |
Oops wrong thread |
Simon
Joined 18-07-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, 10 August, 2005 - 01:40 pm: | |
Update: the street has been strangley bereft of teenagers since the incident. A police van was spotted in the week after the event. It seems something has been done.
I have to say that I had hoped some of our elected local officials might have been able to give their views. Why is it that the only things that seem to pique their interest are planning issues? This seems to be the case with all local councils. |
Andy
Joined 23-02-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, 10 August, 2005 - 04:33 pm: | |
I think that there has been a bit of a crackdown in the area. There were a big bunch of youths who hung out around the Blythe Hill Tavern area. They too, well possibly the same bunch, are conspicuous by their abscence at the moment. |
