|Posted on Wednesday, 06 July, 2005 - 04:06 pm: |
Does anyone know who I can contact (who might listen!) about the possibility of getting speed bumps introduced to Manor Mount? Everyone races down there and there are regular bangs, scrapes and bumps 'crash corner' due to cars not being able to stop in time. I can't believe nothing has been done/discussed about this before.
Any help much appreciated.
|Posted on Tuesday, 02 August, 2005 - 02:32 pm: |
I think it'd be a lot better if someone actually bothered to enforce the fact that the top half of Manor Mount is one way! The problem seems to be people speeding the wrong way down the one way section - like nobody will notice if they sneak down there really fast!! They usually don't even bother to indicate into the road either. It winds me up no-end, and I even called the police in the end, who after transferring me to Bromley police, tried to tell me it's a 'local authority issue'. I said I thought it was a road traffic offence to drive above the limit, the wrong way along a one way street, etc. I was told that I was right technically but traffic police are pretty thin on the ground these days and they usually respond to accidents - I told him I'd expect a visit to Manor Mount soon then when a kid gets run over or someone hits my car as I'm reversing out of the driveway!!
It's certainly not an issue with people driving too fast up the hill, some cars seem barely able chug up there.
P.S. If anyone reading this is able/willing to enforce the one way section of Manor Mount you'll probably catch most people doing it around rush hour or on a Saturday afternoon when they can't be bothered to sit in the traffic on Honor Oak Road.
|Posted on Tuesday, 02 August, 2005 - 05:28 pm: |
Are you suggesting vigilante patrols on Manor Mount.
How about a camera. Surely could be used to detect people travelling the wrong way which is much more serious than there usual preoccupation in catchuing people doing 32 miles an hour in the correct direction
Surely one of the lamp posts could take a camera
|Posted on Tuesday, 02 August, 2005 - 05:48 pm: |
Tut tut, very naive Brian. Cameras are to generate revenue, such as those cutting ten yards too early into the bus lane when turning left from South Circular into Brockly Rise on a quiet day (warming up for a fight with TfL here)- not being a closet Daily Mail reader well positioned speed camaras ie all over Honor Oak Road please, are of benefit and having been flashed a number of times by Gatsos over the years and still not been done I appreciate the deterrent and the non-zero tolerence approach(until they all go digital of course).
Camara on Manor Mount does make sense. I fancy those one way spike things they have on some car parks although no doubt there will be an argument about emergency vehicles.
|Posted on Tuesday, 02 August, 2005 - 08:10 pm: |
Cameras may be revenue generators rather than safety measures in some boroughs, but not in Lewisham which derives one of the lowest levels of parking charges of any London borough (and our forward projections assume this will continue to be the case).
Some use of speed cameras on Manor Mount would be a good idea, and I have explored with officers the possibility of the use of mobile cameras. They tell me that legislation has been passed which would permit local authorities as well as the police to deal with 'moving traffic violations' in this way, and I think there would we would be much more likely to do something. However, it requires an order of the Secretary of State to activate the legislation, and he is awaiting the results of a trial in another London borough.
As soon as the legislation is in force, Susan Wise and I will be urging early use in Manor Mount.
|Posted on Wednesday, 03 August, 2005 - 08:43 am: |
In response to Brian's first post, vigilant patrols wasn't what I was thinking. A camera catching cars going the wrong way down the road seems the best solution, but if this was too expensive to implement then I was suggesting the periods when this seems to occur most often.
About 3 weeks after my call to the police I did actually see a patrol car do a u-turn to face the wrong way on Manor Mount and hid itself out of view to catch people. But this was about 9.30 on a Saturday night, Honor Oak Road was empty and they probably had a boring time waiting to nab someone!
An alternative would be to make the left turn off of Honor Oak Road into Manor Mount more difficult to take, as it's only vehicles approaching the traffic lights at the London Rd junction that make this turning.
|Posted on Wednesday, 03 August, 2005 - 12:55 pm: |
Thanks for your response. I was not especially refering to Lewisham and will accept your word without problem on this.
I was not thinking of a speed camera but a high up camera to collect the details of all cars going the wrong way.
Speeding although a problem is not the main problem here it is the abuse of the one way street
|Posted on Wednesday, 03 August, 2005 - 07:27 pm: |
'Speed' camera was a slip of the pen. You are quite right that going the wrong way is the real problem. I think the mobile CCTV would do what was needed.
|Posted on Thursday, 04 August, 2005 - 11:00 am: |
Councillor, for a moment I thought you were answering my posting - this would be a first, but alass no.
However I'm pleased that your new liberal colleague picked up on the problem with speeding traffic on Honor Oak Road.
|Posted on Sunday, 07 August, 2005 - 07:49 pm: |
Councillor David Whiting, I stopped one of the motorists yesterday heading the wrong way down Manor Mount. He pointed out that the 'No Entry' signs are only viewable from London Road as they are at a 45 degree angle. You cannot see these signs if you are approaching London Road from Honor Oak. Could we have a 'No left hand turn' sign which would also stop people who do not live round here from mistakenly turning down Manor Mount? Anything has got to bettter than the current situation.
|Posted on Sunday, 07 August, 2005 - 10:17 pm: |
You are very brave taking these people on- read some of the earlier postings on this subject from a year or so ago. Someone was badly beaten when he tried to stop some gentlemen going the wrong way.
Think any action is best left to the authorities.
|Posted on Monday, 08 August, 2005 - 10:57 am: |
Nonsense, the road narrows, there is a no entry sign on the road that is pretty clear. 95% of people must know that they are going down a one way street the wrong way.
As for confronting the traffic, I do, but only at a safe distance (ie where I can run away!) having had some nasty road rage experiences
|Posted on Monday, 08 August, 2005 - 11:49 am: |
I actually agree with BD her
It is nonsense to say not visible from HOR .
Not sure what London Road has to do with it
|Posted on Monday, 15 August, 2005 - 01:51 pm: |
With reference to Cllr Whiting's response of 3rd August, may I ask whether similar consideration re cameras and speed restrictions will now be given to Ewelme Road? I had understood that the Council would only consider the problem under an area based approach to traffic calming, hence it seems a bit unusual now to propose a specific measure for Manor Mount. IE What about the rest of us who have been campaigning for several years and have got absolutely nowhere?
|Posted on Monday, 15 August, 2005 - 05:38 pm: |
Once we are able to deal with moving traffic offences, it would make sense to use the power wherever there was a problem of illegal driving, whether an area had been traffic calmed or not. This is not the same as installing measures to modify the legal flow.